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Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

http://wings.avkids.com/Tennis/Project/usspin-04.html

According to this website she had the most RPM (topspin) on her ground strokes however they only compared 10 players...but still she was number one.

What do you guys think? Is it a myth that Venus hits a flat ball?

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

Who said she's a flat ball hitter?
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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

I've always thought that she hits with a tremendous amount of spin, my arm gets tired of just imagining returning her shots

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

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Who said she's a flat ball hitter?
Tons of people In Serena's match TTC commentators kept saying how much more spin Serena had on her shots compared to Venus

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

I never thought Venus hits a flat ball. I've heard her say that she loves to play against flat hitters.

It was Monica Seles who stated that Venus' balls and serves are very deceptive because they are spinning so fast that it's hard to swing at them.

You can tell that Venus hits with a lot of Rpm because the sound of her ball strike is always very fast and crisp as it goes over the net. It's not that heavy sound that you hear when players hit a very flat ball.
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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

How reliable is that source when Pierce is 2nd and Kournikova is 4th on that list and they are 2 of the flattest hitters of that generation?
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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

Look at the people she was compared to: Pierce, Kournikova (), Novotna, Davenport, Seles... All of them are relatively flat hitters.

Venus uses a semi-Western, so yes, it can't be completely flat. And in 99 and such, she used to put a lot more spin for security.

But all in all, she's still a flat striker of the ball.

I'm surprised at Myth landing so low. I thought her shots were deceptively heavy, but it seems she totally lacked pace and top spin. Flop.
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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

IMO the greatest myth in tennis is that hitting slower, loopy balls = more topspin, when the reality is that spin is generated not only by brushing up on the back of the ball but also by very fast/high (what is the appropriate word here?) racket-head speed, which is what Venus has in abundance on her forehand.

Venus's shots often leave her opponents scrambling far behind the baseline not only because of their depth but also the spin imparted when they hit the court. The ball appears to pick up speed when it hits the court. Watch any of the highlights videos of her on youtube, especially against Clijsters and other players at the USO.

Therefore, just because a ball isn't looped high over the net does not mean it does not have incredible amounts of spin on it. Roger Federer is another example of this.

This is all just my own personal theory, of course, as I've never played Venus

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

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IMO the greatest myth in tennis is that hitting slower, loopy balls = more topspin, when the reality is that spin is generated not only by brushing up on the back of the ball but also by very fast/high (what is the appropriate word here?) racket-head speed, which is what Venus has in abundance on her forehand.

Venus's shots often leave her opponents scrambling far behind the baseline not only because of their depth but also the spin imparted when they hit the court. The ball appears to pick up speed when it hits the court. Watch any of the highlights videos of her on youtube, especially against Clijsters and other players at the USO.

Therefore, just because a ball isn't looped high over the net does not mean it does not have incredible amounts of spin on it. Roger Federer is another example of this.

This is all just my own personal theory, of course, as I've never played Venus
Exactly! Venus is not hitting the ball flat. Not even near like for example Ivanović....
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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

I've always thought her forehand has tremendous top spin, no surprise there.

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

@ transparent Hingis hater Apoleb; if you watched any tennis in your life time you would know that Hingis' backhand was one of the flattest shots on tour, so OF COURSE it's not going to have high RPMs. Her forehand was her weaker wing, but nonetheless she used topspin more effectively than most to kick the ball up high to her opponent's backhand. RPMs have nothing to do with it.

And yes, Hingis even said back in the day that Venus hits with a lot of spin. (She also said Seles hits the hardest, which I probably agree with) However, as has been pointed out, she only hits with spin compared to all those flat hitters she was being compared with. Her shots are still relatively flat, or somewhere in the middle, like most with a semi-western grip.

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

True myth is what people consider flat and topspin.
Everyone that's played high level of tennis knows there's not really such a thing as flat hitting. When commentators say they hit "flat" they usually mean the ball is barely over the net (not a lot of margin), or they mean the player hit a deep, heavy shot.
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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

And just to add, I think what contributes to the racket-head speed is fact that she holds the end end of the grip in the way she does. So it's almost like a whipping motion on the ball.

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

I'm one of those who has thought that she hits relatively flat (low in topspin). And it's all relative. No one hits many balls that are truly flat. Not while getting them in the court anyway. lol. IMO nowadays S. Williams hits with more topspin. V.Williams seems to generate more sidespin.

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Re: Myth: Venus Williams hits flat??

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True myth is what people consider flat and topspin.
Everyone that's played high level of tennis knows there's not really such a thing as flat hitting.
I put that in my reply before I saw your post.

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