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WTA - Time for a Change

Does any one think it would be time for the WTA to finally change the tournament names as International and Premier, then this Premier 5 rubbish!

Surely the Men's game is much easier to understand 100, 500 and 250, and it is easier to explain to a non tennis person who is watching that the ranking points to win a event are that of the number of the event.

Also if you go to the men's site and click on the Tournament page, it shows who is playing. The WTA is so secretive and it is 2012 not 1980!

I have to say the CEO is good though!
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Yes.

They need to create a secondary tour in the vein of the ATP Masters series to replace the Premier Mandatories.

The ATP players genuinely value the Masters shields, they have a prestige that the PM and P5 nonsense don't, and never will.

The WTA also desperately needs some continuity throughout the value of the tournaments, but to allow them to keep their individuality - it's a tough ask. They need to find a way to help bring the tournaments like Beijing up in value to the players and the spectators alike - imagine if all the Premier Mandatory tournaments were as hotly contested and valued as say Rome.

Not to mention some of the only tournaments with any prestige left are slowly being destroyed by the schedule, see Sydney, Paris Indoors, Kremlin Cup - these tournaments have a rich history and once meant something now they're just another leg in the seemingly endless parade of tournaments.

Also, the tourneys are all being played on basically the same colour courts, playing identical speed and in similar stadiums, its boring and repetitive, They need to give the big tourneys some individuality in court colour, speed and even decoration (flowers, music, the way they interact with the players etc.).

I'm obviously not saying i have the answers but these seem to me the major problems with the tournaments and of course it's just my opinion.

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I have to agree with you. Have the Super 9 at least instead of this useless premier tournaments then this premier 5. It is like the WTA thought oh we will call them Premier Events, then the highest paying events have piped up and said oh we want more than that.

They can't even get coverage of every semi final and final of all their events. If you watch, the ATP has coverage every week and most weeks every day of most events!
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The changes the WTA needs to make have long been obvious to insiders, but they lack the courage to institute them, plain and simple:

(1) Strictly enforced time clock between points - warning then point penalty for any violation

(2) Girls play in bikini tops, tank tops (with stomach exposed) or atheltic bras only

(3) Hot ball boys only, and must be shirtless

(4) No lets on serves that hit the net - just play that shit out - nobody cares

(5) Players must stay in the same house during tournaments, covered in all rooms (including bathrooms) with surveillance cameras - a la Big Brother, streamed live 24/7 on the Internet

(6) Ban all creepy father-coaches from the tour - meaning: all father-coaches - beginning with Wozniacki

(7) More Borna Bikic!!!!

(8) Winner of each match can make the loser perform a humilating task - licking the court clean, dancing nude in front of the crowd, crawling on all fours and barking like a dog

(9) More botox for Mary Carillo!!

(10) No more rain delays! Players play no matter the weather - wet t-shirt rallies are hot!!

(11) Bring back Vera Zvonerava's "coach", Sergey Demekhine, in whatever capacity he wants that involves screen time and shirtless crotch grabs.

The day the WTA has the courage to make these changes is the day the Tour returns to dominance.
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Not a reality show!
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Re: WTA - Time for a Change

The WTA killed a bunch of tournaments to get some prize money in Asia/Middle East.

The thing is, you get a big fat cheque but no prestige at all.
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Oh - for the days tennis used to be a sport and players used to enjoy travelling the world...

Rather than just playing a US circuit and appearing in a reality TV show..
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The WTA killed a bunch of tournaments to get some prize money in Asia/Middle East.
So true. RIP Zurich.
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Filderstadt, I loved that event, Essen, and Brighton! Steffi loved Brighton
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The changes the WTA needs to make have long been obvious to insiders, but they lack the courage to institute them, plain and simple:

1) Ban all creepy fathers

2) Put on weirdass TV/Internet streams for creepy sexually frustrated fans
Fixed that 4 ya..
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Yes.

They need to create a secondary tour in the vein of the ATP Masters series to replace the Premier Mandatories.

The ATP players genuinely value the Masters shields, they have a prestige that the PM and P5 nonsense don't, and never will.

The WTA also desperately needs some continuity throughout the value of the tournaments, but to allow them to keep their individuality - it's a tough ask. They need to find a way to help bring the tournaments like Beijing up in value to the players and the spectators alike - imagine if all the Premier Mandatory tournaments were as hotly contested and valued as say Rome.

Not to mention some of the only tournaments with any prestige left are slowly being destroyed by the schedule, see Sydney, Paris Indoors, Kremlin Cup - these tournaments have a rich history and once meant something now they're just another leg in the seemingly endless parade of tournaments.

Also, the tourneys are all being played on basically the same colour courts, playing identical speed and in similar stadiums, its boring and repetitive, They need to give the big tourneys some individuality in court colour, speed and even decoration (flowers, music, the way they interact with the players etc.).

I'm obviously not saying i have the answers but these seem to me the major problems with the tournaments and of course it's just my opinion.
Good Post.

I didn't read most of them yet. But you already said it all.
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The WTA killed a bunch of tournaments to get some prize money in Asia/Middle East.

The thing is, you get a big fat cheque but no prestige at all.
This as well.

A lot of the European and American tournaments have suffered, while the top players still have caught on to the new tournament areas in prestige and participation.
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IMO The name of the tournaments isn't that important. Whether they're called Masters or Premier is irrelevant and I don't see how the WTA changing the name will make players value them more. The WTA has a few great and well-know players who have set a precedent of playing "part-time." Since though players have achieved more than most, their actions have a subtle influence on the other players.

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Re: WTA - Time for a Change

I started a thread along similar lines last year and somebody suggested having Gold, Silver and Bronze events.

Gold- 1000 points for the winner. These would be the current Premier Mandatories and P5s. Top 20 ranked players must play at least 8 of the 9 events and 8 results must count towards their ranking. Effectively the same as the ATP Masters series.

Silver - 500 points for the winner. These would be the current Premier 470 point events.

Bronze - 300 points for the winner, the current International Series events.

One other change, again in line with the ATP. The points for runner-up should only be 60% of those for the winner, not the current 70%. Tennis is a tournament sport and the importance of winning the tournament should be reflected in the rankings.
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Does any one think it would be time for the WTA to finally change the tournament names as International and Premier, then this Premier 5 rubbish!

Surely the Men's game is much easier to understand 100, 500 and 250, and it is easier to explain to a non tennis person who is watching that the ranking points to win a event are that of the number of the event.

Also if you go to the men's site and click on the Tournament page, it shows who is playing. The WTA is so secretive and it is 2012 not 1980!

I have to say the CEO is good though!
The points don´t have to necessarily equal the name (it certainly wouldn´t hurt though), but it simply helps identify which tournaments are the most important and valuable. Go ask a person to put International, Premier, Premier 5, and Premier Mandatory in order of their value and they are WTF is wrong with you. And that is really such a simple problem to solve.

- Caroline Wozniacki has never beaten a reigning world #1.
- Caroline Wozniacki has never beaten a top 5 player at a major.
- Caroline Wozniacki has not beaten a top 3 player en route to any of her 23 titles.
- Caroline Wozniacki has beaten two top 5 players en route to her 23 titles (#4 Zvonareva and #5 Schiavone)

-Her fans think she had very bad luck with her Grand Slam and Regular Tour draws.
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