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post #1 of 27 (permalink) Old Nov 12th, 2002, 09:59 PM Thread Starter
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Serena should have won the first set 62, watch the match again.

And that would have changed the complexion of the whole match.
At 3-2, a bad call on game point (shown to be bad on replay) led to deuce and then Kim made it 33, while it should have been 4-2. Here is how it went from that point on:

33-should have been-42
43-should have been-52
53-should have been-62
54
55
56
57

... and Serena lost the set.

Of course, she lost the set for two other reasons:
1- her forehand was way off to the point of not working at all, and her backhand failed uncharacteristically more often then usual.
2- the other blonde on the court, Kim, was a superb retriever and played very well over all.

Now, blast me if you want, I can take it. Before you do, watch the match once more if you taped it.

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that was the point that the poster named Luis Gonzalez was trying to make yesterday. perhaps his thread is on page 2 or 3 by now.

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WHAT EVER..........................
my Kimmy won, and that's all i care
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I didn't see it, TC. It's surely a valid point.

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But if it was 4-2, who says the rest of the match would have played out exactly as it did? Maybe at 4-2 Kim would have played like she did at 5-3 and have taken the set 6-4? Who knows? One point doesn't decide a match.

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Monica lead Venus 4-1 and "should" have won the first set...

Lindsay had 7 match points against Monica and "should" have won the match...

etc.
etc.
etc.
for eternity....
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coulda.. woulda... shoulda.

in every tennis match there are a few debatable calls. The thing is, Serena served for the first set and didn't finish it. Even if she would have gotten that point at 3-2, what makes you think she would have taken the set? If this would have happened on set point, you'd have a case, but you're making way too many assumptions.

Truth is, Serena got beaten in straight sets. That one point at 2-3 should not have mattered if Serena was meant to beat Kim yesterday.
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Yes, Serena SHOULD have won the first set, but she didnt.

Why are people still analysing the match? It's over. I understand it must be hard to comprehend Serena lost, but really, its time to let go.

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Everyone gets bad calls. That's part of the game.

This thread is nonsense.

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But if it was 4-2, who says the rest of the match would have played out exactly as it did? Maybe at 4-2 Kim would have played like she did at 5-3 and have taken the set 6-4? Who knows? One point doesn't decide a match.
True, Tine. That's why I added the other reasons. Yet, ceteris puribus (everything else being the same), she would have won that set.

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yeah serena shouldve won that set///but dont forget serena should have lost the first set against jelena too!

looks like jelena and serena both crumbled after that first, esp jelena

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Following your logic:

Serena: 6-2.

Second set: 5-0 Kim then, i dunno i havent seen the match but hmm Serena won 3 other games, so why not 6-2 3-6 (and as serena said she was tired) 0-6?

Damn maybe Kim didn't bagel Serena cos of this bad call!

Seriously, a bad call is part of the game. And you can't know what would have happened anyway.
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I would of had breakfast.

I would of too.

I get up
Have a shower
The Drain gets clogged
No-one is home
Unblocked it myself
No Breakfast.

Now if that had not of happened.

I get up
Have a shower
No-one is home
Had a beautiful Breakfast


No matter how I look at it though, I did have to unclog the drain and I have not had breakfast yet

C'est la vie

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I didn't see it, TC. It's surely a valid point.
try this link...

Luis Gonzalez thread...

hope this works! i've never done this before...

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That's exactly what I expected from many of you: fatalism, not analysis of the facts. The match and the season are over, but the facts remain wide open for analysis by those who care. If you don't care, well there is a whole legion you can join.

These tapes will be studied to death over the next two months in preparation for the next season.

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