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Modern all court tennis

A great highlights reel


Do you think we'll get players playing this style again? I thought Mauresmo and Henin were interesting in this match because they were clearly playing modern tennis (high speed, heavy spin, hard shots) but used a large variety of shots and utilized every part of the court. A modern version of the classic all court game. No one seems to have picked up the mantle since they retired however. One handed backhands, which seem to help this style, are extinct in the upper levels of the game and the volleys of top players are usually abysmal. Ironically, Serena and Venus, who the press liked to mislabel originally as bashers, play much more of a tactical all court style today than most players.

Don't get me wrong, I love power tennis and could watch big babes all day, but I do wish there were a few more styles on tour. Now with the next generations we seem to be narrowing down to only two, grinders and big hitters. Are there any players in today's generation who might play like this?
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With a few tiny flaws I think Caroline plays all-round game right now.

Mauresmo may have had a bit better net play, Henin might have been a bit better in spinning the ball, but overall in modern tennis (2010-...) Wozniacki has the most ballanced style of play.

Tennis is different now than in Amelie's times. Those times are in the past for ever. Tennis is different now, but isn't less beautiful than 5-7 years ago.
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With a few tiny flaws I think Caroline plays all-round game right now.

Mauresmo may have had a bit better net play, Henin might have been a bit better in spinning the ball, but overall in modern tennis (2010-...) Wozniacki has the most ballanced style of play.
Say what???

There's nothing all-round about Caro's game. She doesn't have the talent to play all court tennis.
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Kvitova plays all court tennis, attacking and moving in, using droppers and lobs, and hitting touch volleys, but doesn't move as well as Juju or Momo.

ARad at her best can also put on a fun show using all parts of the court.

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P. Kvitova def. S. Williams 6-2, 6-3
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With a few tiny flaws I think Caroline plays all-round game right now.

Mauresmo may have had a bit better net play, Henin might have been a bit better in spinning the ball, but overall in modern tennis (2010-...) Wozniacki has the most ballanced style of play.

Tennis is different now than in Amelie's times. Those times are in the past for ever. Tennis is different now, but isn't less beautiful than 5-7 years ago.
Are you just winding me up? Have you seen Wozniacki at net? Have you seen Wozniacki try to hit a winner? What part of her game is "ballanced" to you? 99% of the time she hits the ball back deep and with lots of spin away from the lines. It's a good strategy and it works but by no means is it balanced or even remotely all court tennis.
Did you see Mauresmo's half volleys? Henin's passing shots? the chips and charges from both? the offensive and defensive slices? the topspin lobs? the smashes? the changes of pace and spin?

You think the modern era started in 2010? Are you serious? Have you seen Wozniacki's h2h against Henin, Clijsters and the Williamses, those bygones from an era that is "in the past for ever?"
Did you see what Serena did to her at the US Open?


Wozniacki's game is effective and makes the most of her advantages (endurance and consistency) but it is not all court, not balanced and not beautiful.
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Say what???

There's nothing all-round about Caro's game. She doesn't have the talent to play all court tennis.
Your opinion is valuable but invalid.

Have you got some sort of a talent-meter? I double you have. Next time make sure your post is grounded before hitting a 'submit' button.
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Your opinion is valuable but invalid.

Have you got some sort of a talent-meter? I double you have. Next time make sure your post is grounded before hitting a 'submit' button.
You trolled me good.
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With a few tiny flaws I think Caroline plays all-round game right now.
IMO she has the ability to play that game and does so once-in-a-while but she often sticks herself into a defensive mind-set. For me 2012 well show a lot - one way or the other. This will be the first year in Wozniacki's top-5 tenure that she isn't the newbie top-dog. Kvitova took up the gauntlet.



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Are you just winding me up? Have you seen Wozniacki at net? Have you seen Wozniacki try to hit a winner? What part of her game is "ballanced" to you? 99% of the time she hits the ball back deep and with lots of spin away from the lines. It's a good strategy and it works but by no means is it balanced or even remotely all court tennis.
Did you see Mauresmo's half volleys? Henin's passing shots? the chips and charges from both? the offensive and defensive slices? the topspin lobs? the smashes? the changes of pace and spin?

You think the modern era started in 2010? Are you serious? Have you seen Wozniacki's h2h against Henin, Clijsters and the Williamses, those bygones from an era that is "in the past for ever?"
Did you see what Serena did to her at the US Open?
There's no point to argue with you, because you ignore the most important fact - tennis has changed since Henin and Mauresmo's time. By modern tennis standards Wozniacki has got the most ballanced game.
H2H is the last argument to use. Simply because it's senseless.
If Wozniacki peaked 5 years ago (was 5 years older) and played in 2005 the way she plays today, you would have the right to draw parallels, compare her etc... Didn't happen, so move on, put that nostalgia aside
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IMO she has the ability to play that game and does so once-in-a-while but she often sticks herself into a defensive mind-set. For me 2012 well show a lot - one way or the other. This will be the first year in Wozniacki's top-5 tenure that she isn't the newbie top-dog. Kvitova took up the gauntlet.
I actually agree. Sometimes she seems to forget she's able to play an all-court game and turns to be a bit more defensive than she should. Yeah, 2012 will tell a lot. IMO Kvitova will make Caroline stronger and will motivate her to reach new highs, because, let's be honest, the last two years Wozniacki has rarely faced any serious opposition.
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I understand that things have changed since Mauresmo or Henin have retired but um Wozniaccki is definitely not the most all-around player.

At least pick someone like Kvitova, who actually comes to net and uses slices. She's definitely the most all-around court player. Maybe Stosur or Radwanska.
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Tennis has not changed since 2007, and neither has the definition of all-court. An all court player has a good baseline, transition and net game, and works their game plan around these parts of their game.

Anyone claiming Caro is an all-court player needs

Watch Caro play an all court player (albeit an average one):

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The all Court players now are, Petra Stosur or Aga. That about it.
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At least pick someone like Kvitova, who actually comes to net and uses slices. She's definitely the most all-around court player. Maybe Stosur or Radwanska.
You started to follow tennis in Oct of 2011? That explains. No questions to you.

Kvitova and Stosur as the most all-round players? Merriment at its finest, thank you!
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The all Court players now are, Petra Stosur or Aga. That about it.
IMO I think you can extrapolate on this, with Kvitova being the best all-court player right now. Kim (when she plays well) is a little behind Kvitova but reverts to retrieving more than all-court tactics.

Stosur, Radwanska and Schiavone are all-court players and have the right mentality to play from most parts of the court but have limitations in their games (backhand & movement, power, consistency & penetration respectively) that put them a minor cut below.
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