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Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

Rafael Nadal has positioned itself for an overhaul of the ATP rankings. He wants an accounting of points in two seasons instead of one.
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"I'm not alone in desiring a ranking over two years. There are many other players who are for. The classification of two years has a clear goal: to protect all players, not just the best. It is a protection for injured players, protection that will follow until the end of their careers "

Maybe Nadal is right about injuried players but this will also let fluke journeywomen in one big tournament to stay on top. Oudin could have stayed 2 years top 40 or top 50

Would you be in favor of a WTA rankings accounting in 2 years too ?
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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

Absolutely not. It's a horrible idea on the ATP, and would be a horrible idea in the WTA too.

The only real reform that needs to happen is to introduce a divisor to prevent players from inflating their ranking by playing a crapload of tournaments.

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

No one agrees with Nadal, even Federer, who could benefit from a two year ranking like Nadal, as another top player.

Federer recently said "Even though I'm a top player who can benefit from a 2yr ranking, I cannot as the ATP player representative agree with this, as it would prevent lower ranked players from earning their way up the ladder, if they had a great season or great tournaments". Federer added "It wouldn't be fair to them".

That was a paraphrase; but basically what he said. I agree.

And the ATP already has provisions to protect injured players and their rankings.

This is just Nadal (who I like) being a selfish, spoiled cry baby, after losing his #1 raking this year.

Just go get it back next year Rafa! This is tennis, not golf (Golf has two year rankings, weighted to the current year; though Tiger stayed number one despite a poor 2nd ranking year, cause of his excellent 1st yr))!
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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

bring back divisor system and WTA ranking will regain some lost credibility at least

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

this was widely discussed on MTF. Nadal is stupid. It's a horrible idea.

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

Nadal's idea is terrible. Kvitova, for example, improved drastically from 2010 to 2011 (finishing the year ranked 34th and 2nd, respectively). What would her ranking be if the system combined the two seasons? I can't see it being in the top 10.

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

well Wozniacki would be the undisputed #1 as season end #1 the last 2 years

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

no, because the rankings would not reflect the current state of tennis then. the problem with the rankings as they are is that a run of bad tournaments (take caro's 2nd half of this year) can be covered by playing extra tournaments at other times. a 2 year ranking would only make this worse.

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

It would be stupid if they only extend the current system to two years. But if they use a system similar to the golf ranking it would work.

- average points with all tournaments counting (minimum divisor of 35)
- weighted points (points gained 2 month ago should count than points gained 20 month ago)
- points depend on the strength of the field and not on prize money

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

Nadal needs to shut the fuck up, honestly. He just wants more points for when he whores the clay season. It's a terrible idea.

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That´s a great idea. It can be like in golf, where Luke Donald is #1 and has never won a major. Before him it was Lee Westwood, who has never won a major either. That´s the perfect system for the WTA.

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Re: Nadal calls for ATP rankings reform, what about WTA ?

Yes Nadal is totally wrong in this. It would protect only the long term injuried players but the SR system is made for that. It allows the same things getting into tournments that you once belonged to so you can climb back your ranking quickly. The only difference is that with the SR system you have a maximum number of tournments you can use that ranking but anyway if after that same among of tournment even with the 2yrs ranking sys you haven't found your form and got a decent ranking you would still be pretty low in that ranking. I suspect Nadal wanting to keep his good ranking higher when he has tons of points to defend in big tourneys. That way you could win everything one year and then the next year you have less pressure and you still will keep the same ranking.

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