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Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

If you were to compare Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles after the comeback (apprx. 1999-2002) who is the better player ?
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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

Seles 60 60.

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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

Seles without a doubt. She has a leftie serve, which is always more effective than comparable right-handed servers. And even old, out of shape, 2002 Seles would of hit Bartoli off the court.... their weight of shot is in different categories in my opinion.
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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

This isn't necessarily a WWW....just who's the better player...
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This isn't necessarily a WWW....just who's the better player...
Bartoli is honestly one of the least athletically inclined former top 10 players we have had in a good while. All of her odd rituals and repetitive actions are to help keep herself physically alert... it is something that Ive never really seen another player have to forecably do like she does.

Basically in a nutshell Bartoli utilized her natural abilites about as good as she humanly could of... where as Seles severly underperfomed after her stabbing. Bartoli is inferior to Seles in every department except maybe movement, and that is in question only because Bartoli works much more on her fitness than Monica ever did.. and even still Bartoli isnt much faster or better at moving than overweight Seles.
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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

I like Marion, but she would get slaughtered by Monica seeing as she's a better version of her in every way.
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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

Seles. Post stabbing Seles still won a slam and multiple slam finals. Better ground strokes, better serve.
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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

Obviously Marion.

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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

I think Marion would put up a good fight. I actually think Peak Marion's serve is better than Seles.

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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

I think it would be pretty even personally, but everyone and their dog will say Seles because A) people are obsessed with tennis being shit atm and B) it's Bartoli, who many people like to put down even though she's a pretty great player when on form and not mooching around about some nebulous injury.

Tennis seems to attract bizarre logic, though... like the whole belief that women can't play 5 sets because they are women... when women run... marathons... and not 3/5ths-marathons-cos-they're-all-soft-and-have-boobies-so-better-not-tire-the-poor-petals-out.

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I think it would be pretty even personally, but everyone and their dog will say Seles because A) people are obsessed with tennis being shit atm and B) it's Bartoli, who many people like to put down even though she's a pretty great player when on form and not mooching around about some nebulous injury.
Seles had far better penetration on her groundstrokes in comparison to Bartoli.... this isnt even a contest. Bartoli does have nice depth on her grounstrokes but the pace just isnt the same. Not to mention that Seles had intensity that peak Bartoli could only wish she had. And on top of that id venture to say that Seles had a superior, more explosive ROS as well.
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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

To me, this is peak Bartoli. Does anyone have a clip of Seles so we can compare?


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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

Peak Marion's serve would do some damage (see Cinci '10 against Caro and this year Wimbly against Serena in the tie breaker), as well as her ROS (the JJ match in AO). But everything else about Seles was just better so Seles would win in the end.
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Seles had far better penetration on her groundstrokes in comparison to Bartoli.... this isnt even a contest. Bartoli does have nice depth on her grounstrokes but the pace just isnt the same. Not to mention that Seles had intensity that peak Bartoli could only wish she had. And on top of that id venture to say that Seles had a superior, more explosive ROS as well.
Seles is a greater player overall, of course... but for me the main advantage she has is sustaining belief... I think if both could sustain their very best it would be close in any given rally, but in a real match scenario I guess Marion would question herself way before Seles would. Seles' shot penetration was indeed a good bit superior, but I think Bartoli defends and serves better than Seles did, which for me would make a pretty strong difference in a rally. I'd definitely give the match to Seles on account of her superior mental powers, but I don't think Bartoli would look like an amateur on court or anything.

Obviously, people are going to disagree on this one, but heyho. I actually liked Seles quite a bit back in the day, and tbh find Bartoli quite offputting due to her timeout addiction - so as long as nobody accuses me of holding my views due to fanboy-ness then I'm all good with disagreement

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Re: Peak Bartoli vs. Peak Seles (After Comeback)

I think Peak Bartoli has a much better serve than Peak Post Stabbing Seles (1999-2002). A lot of Bartoli's shot are flat and penetrating....Seles also flat but with a little more spin...Also Peak Bartoli finds a little more angles... but that's just my opinion.
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