Whose game is the perfect fit of a counter puncher in recent times? - TennisForum.com
View Poll Results: Who's the perfect personification of a counter puncher?
Jelena Jankovic 14 38.89%
Anna Chackvetadze 0 0%
Elena Dementieva 2 5.56%
Kim Clijsters 6 16.67%
Caroline Wozniacki 2 5.56%
Vera Zvonareva 3 8.33%
Anastasia Myskina 4 11.11%
Jennifer Capriati 3 8.33%
Ai Sugiyama 1 2.78%
Other 1 2.78%
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Whose game is the perfect fit of a counter puncher in recent times?

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A counter puncher is a player who plays better as rallies go longer, they can re-direct, retrieve and defend extremelly well, they are not power hitters but they are effective when attacking, they are not generally known for being big servers, they are natural baseliners so they won't finish points off volleying very often.

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Jankovic is THE perfect counterpuncher of the recent times. Sublime footwork, court smarts, decent at the net, excellent RoS, absorbs power and yet can play aggressive at the same time. Talent-wise, she's Murray of the WTA tour - most talented ever not win a slam. If only she was more tough mentally, she could easily have dominated 2008-2010 period, especially on clay.
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Re: Whose game is the perfect fit of a counter puncher in recent times?

Jankovic in 08

Now I dont know, maybe Zvonareva or Penetta
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You basically describe Jankovic. And she's even better because that backhand was a legit weapon.

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Jankovic is THE perfect counterpuncher of the recent times. Sublime footwork, court smarts, decent at the net, excellent RoS, absorbs power and yet can play aggressive at the same time. Talent-wise, she's Murray of the WTA tour - most talented ever not win a slam. If only she was more tough mentally, she could easily have dominated 2008-2010 period, especially on clay.
Yea I forgot to mention that a great counter puncher absorbs power to use it against their opponents really really well.

Jankovic is actually the player who most resembles a counter player these days but I have to vote for Myskina because she would never change her game play, she would never over power her opponents she would never out smart her opponents, she wasn't too passive or defensive, in all of her matches she would try to do exactly what a counter puncher would do use her opponent's power to re-direct, turning defense into offense and hitting a winner or forcing an error and of course she would try to get to every ball was thrown at her.

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Capriati and Clijsters are the archetypal proper counter-punchers, who generally start the points off on the defensive, never really go for REALLY high-risk shots when they're out of position, but once they're in control have the weapons to attack and finish off points. Jankovic and Wozniacki are more pure defensive grinders - defensive most of the point, and only go for winners when the opportunity has 100% presented itself.
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Capriati gets grouped with the power players, but to me she was the definitive counter-puncher. She relied on depth and placement in her rally shots, but she would step in and flatten out the forehand when she got the chance. Plus she was an excellent mover, she had one of the rest ROS I've ever seen, and her groundstrokes (particularly the forehand) got deadlier as she was moved out wide. Myskina is another excellent example, and nowadays players like Zvonareva (when not in push mode) and Jankovic (when not brain damaged) fit the bill.


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Capriati and Clijsters are the archetypal proper counter-punchers, who generally start the points off on the defensive, never really go for REALLY high-risk shots when they're out of position, but once they're in control have the weapons to attack and finish off points. Jankovic and Wozniacki are more pure defensive grinders - defensive most of the point, and only go for winners when the opportunity has 100% presented itself.
Uh no...Wozniacki is a purely defensive grinder. Getting the ball back in play with great anticipation and good depth (most of the time) but she does not take opportunities to rip winners when given the chance.
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Capriati and Clijsters are the archetypal proper counter-punchers, who generally start the points off on the defensive, never really go for REALLY high-risk shots when they're out of position, but once they're in control have the weapons to attack and finish off points. Jankovic and Wozniacki are more pure defensive grinders - defensive most of the point, and only go for winners when the opportunity has 100% presented itself.


Eh, nowadays, Clijsters would be considered an "aggressive grinder"

Maybe it's just me being biased, but I think Zvonareva is the perfect fit as a counterpuncher. She has no major technical weaknesses, absorbs/redirects pace well, and can play at all parts of the court.


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Uh no...Wozniacki is a purely defensive grinder. Getting the ball back in play with great anticipation and good depth (most of the time) but she does not take opportunities to rip winners when given the chance.
But that poster wasn't talking about when she had "the chance", he said when it 100% presented itself. So if Caroline gets a ball short and high, she obviously will put it away, but any backcourt ball will be grinded, yes.
100% means no "chance" of missing (except a ridiculous flub of a smash or such).

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Jankovic - counter puncher by definition and every single one of her strengths and weaknesses compliment that of a counter puncher lol.

Clijsters, Zvonareva - Primarily counter punchers but can be very aggressive off both wings when needed, though Clijsters is more offensive. They're a mix of both for sure but by defintion, I guess they are counter punchers.

Dementieva, Chakvetadze, Chakvetadze - baseline grinders. Capriati and Dementieva has the power to take on most world class players, but when someone more powerful than her is her opponent, she'll acknowledge it and play a more defensive style (i.e. going for shots with more margin and doesn't try to power pass them). Capriati was probably the quickest around the court and had impeccable timing. Both are exceptional returners. In a way, Dementieva and Capriati are much more talented and a better version of Azarenka.

Wozniacki, Suigiyama - retrievers. Both have great anticipation. Ai has a better return and is better at redirecting the ball though, but Wozniacki is a lot more consistent during matches and hence her stronger results.

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Recently, Jankovic and Chakvetadze.
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So if Caroline gets a ball short and high, she obviously will put it away,
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Jankovic is THE perfect counterpuncher of the recent times. Sublime footwork, court smarts, decent at the net, excellent RoS, absorbs power and yet can play aggressive at the same time. Talent-wise, she's Murray of the WTA tour - most talented ever not win a slam. If only she was more tough mentally, she could easily have dominated 2008-2010 period, especially on clay.
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Umm, no.





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Anyway, this thread is a mess. It's Clijsters, and it's not anywhere close. She's the greatest retriever in the history of the sport.
Woa It's amazing how much people can miss the point, retriever =/= counter puncher, Amanda Coetzer was a retriever and her game was nothing like Clijsters', Clijsters would either be the agressive player or the defensive, she has amazing counter punching skills but to me Jankovic and Myskina or even Chackvetadze are perfect counter punchers because they absorb power, Clijsters has power of her own.

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