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True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

Now THIS is a year worthy of debate and discussion.

Monica Seles

9 titles - Miami, San Antonio, Tampa, Rome, Berlin, Roland Garros, Los Angeles, Oakland, Virginia Slims Championships (YEC).

GS performance

AO - DNP
RG - WON
Wimbledon - QF
US Open - 3rd Round

Head to Head

Berlin final: Seles d Graf 6-4, 6-3
RG final: Seles d Graf 7-6, 6-4

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GS performance

AO - WON
RG - RU
Wimbledon - SF
US Open - RU

Head to Head

Berlin final: Seles d Graf 6-4, 6-3
RG final: Seles d Graf 7-6, 6-4

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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

Graf.

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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

Graf.
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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

I'd have to go with Steffi even though Monica beat her, twice. I wonder what the ranking system today would say? Fo consistency Steffi?

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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

It's interesting in that this goes back and forth so much. Monica has the head to head, but Steffi has more titles, but Monica has the YEC and the major, but Steffi has the superior GS performances. Really a very interesting year, in that both played well in patches.

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Graf.
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Seles.

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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

They almost have an equal year (if we're talking about "true no1", obviously the h2h is extremely relevant), so most people are just going to answer who they prefer between the 2, like the Navratilova vs Graf threads and such. So... Useless thread I'm afraid.
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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

Graf by far

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Graf - she was just about clinging on to her superiority in 1990 despite some bad form.

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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

Graf was the "true" (=real) #1 but Seles had the greater year because she won the bigger titles.

Similar to Woz and Kvitty in 2011.
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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

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They almost have an equal year (if we're talking about "true no1", obviously the h2h is extremely relevant), so most people are just going to answer who they prefer between the 2, like the Navratilova vs Graf threads and such. So... Useless thread I'm afraid.
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I agree that it ends up voting for which player you like...
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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

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Graf was the "true" (=real) #1 but Seles had the greater year because she won the bigger titles.

Similar to Woz and Kvitty in 2011.
Not really 'cause Steffi won a slam.

I vote Steffi.
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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

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It's interesting in that this goes back and forth so much. Monica has the head to head, but Steffi has more titles, but Monica has the YEC and the major, but Steffi has the superior GS performances. Really a very interesting year, in that both played well in patches.
And Sabatini swept into that rivary and sanwiched in big events with her Usopen win and her RU at the YEC after beating Graf

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18 Grand Slam SF´s, Won 27 titles, 1 GS Sin, 1 GS in Dubs,2 Masters
Sabatini vs Martinez ?
Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 9
Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
Tier II and above titles
Sabatini 24 Martinez 17
Record at the Masters
Sabatini has 2 titles 2 Runner up and 3 SF
Martinez has 0 titles, 0 RU, and 0 Sf
Record against the best players
Sabatini 40% Martinez 21%
Head to Head
Sabatini leads 9-6 over Martinez
FWTT Hard 111(111 + ny)Carpet 104(104 + ny)Clay 107(107 + 4) Grass 100(100 ny)
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Re: True #1 of 1990: Seles or Graf?

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Graf was the "true" (=real) #1 but Seles had the greater year because she won the bigger titles.

Similar to Woz and Kvitty in 2011.
Hmm No....Graf won a slam Wozniacki did not.
Graf reached 2 slam finals. Wonziacki did not.
Graf won more tournaments than her rival, Wozniacki did not.



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Gabriela Sabatini 2006 HOF
18 Grand Slam SF´s, Won 27 titles, 1 GS Sin, 1 GS in Dubs,2 Masters
Sabatini vs Martinez ?
Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 9
Straight Seasons in the top ten: Sabatini 10 Conchita 6
Seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 5
Straight seasons in the top 5: Sabatini 6 Conchita 4
Tier II and above titles
Sabatini 24 Martinez 17
Record at the Masters
Sabatini has 2 titles 2 Runner up and 3 SF
Martinez has 0 titles, 0 RU, and 0 Sf
Record against the best players
Sabatini 40% Martinez 21%
Head to Head
Sabatini leads 9-6 over Martinez
FWTT Hard 111(111 + ny)Carpet 104(104 + ny)Clay 107(107 + 4) Grass 100(100 ny)
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