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Allaster takes a stand against the complainers

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Grunting won’t go away, says women’s tennis chief

Grunting tennis players won't be quietening down any time soon, according to Stacey Allaster, the chief executive of the Women’s Tennis Association.

World number one Caroline Wozniacki of Denmark last week hit out at rival players who grunt while playing, equating the practice to a form of cheating.

However the loud noises are part of hitting a tennis ball and will remain so, according the leader of the women’s tour.

"I thought we had got away from this," Allaster responded, when asked if the WTA was doing anything about the aesthetically displeasing noises some spectators say they dislike.

"Grunting is part of our sport—full stop," she emphasised. "Athletes hitting the ball as hard as they do, will do it. Women do it, and men do it, and they will continue to do it."

Speaking on the final day of the association's season-ending tournament, the WTA Championships, Allaster nevertheless admitted she was mindful of reactions from spectators who, according to the WTA's statistics, are watching women's tennis in increasing numbers.

The issue of grunting was included on the WTA board's agenda for the first time when it met at the US Open New York in September, she said. It decided to look at "what it could and could not do."

Allaster continued: "It is true that there is an increase in fan communication to me about some of the grunting. But I wonder if enhanced technology, digital sound, is part of the issue.

"No-one is doing it on purpose. It's the way that they train," she asserted, referring to the fact that players are encouraged by some coaches to exhale when striking the ball, usually as an aid to a greater impact.

However Allaster's words contradicted what Wozniacki apparently said four days previously. "I think there are some players who do it on purpose," she was reported as saying.

"They don't do it in practice and then they come into the match and they grunt. I understand if they do it in practice and in matches, that's different. I think they [officials] could definitely cut it."

Wozniacki also appears to think that excessive noise can cause unfair advantage.

"If you grunt really loudly, your opponent cannot hear how you hit the ball," she said.

"Because you think the grunt is so loud, you think the ball is coming fast and suddenly it just goes slowly."

But Allaster pointed out: "I have not had one player come to me to complain about it. It's not bothering the athletes. And we have a hindrance rule in place."

This rule was famously invoked before the 1992 Wimbledon final when Monica Seles was asked to tone down her gasping and grunting, and lost quietly and one-sidedly to Steffi Graf.

Many people believe the inhibition caused by the request contributed to Seles' poor result, and since then the hindrance rule has rarely if ever been invoked in a comparable context.

Allaster nevertheless concluded: "It's what this generation does. But if this becomes a real issue, it may be that it (change) needs to happen in the next generation.

"We will have spent time talking—talking to coaches," Allaster said.

It also revealed how intractable the issue has become. A further obstacle to change is that some women feel that their grunting is highlighted while the noises of male players are overlooked.



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Yes! It's about time.



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"No-one is doing it on purpose. It's the way that they train," she asserted, referring to the fact that players are encouraged by some coaches to exhale when striking the ball, usually as an aid to a greater impact.

But Allaster pointed out: "I have not had one player come to me to complain about it. It's not bothering the athletes. And we have a hindrance rule in place."

Well, we saw what Vika did against Bartoli, or better, didn't.
And what was Cirstea doing during FO when she was playing MLDB?

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Woz complained about grunting?

Maybe she should watch a few vids of herself. She's certainly no Maria, but she's not silent on court, either


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Agree. She has the guts to address issues and just say it. Even if people might not like it.

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Good act by her
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Allaister is pulling nonsense out of her ass.

Look at what is happening the whole year: ALL the slam winners including Kivitova are not grunt-hitters. Today alone Kvitova just literally dismantled the ludicrous idea that grunting helps females in order to hit hard and win prizes. Azarenka proved she was almost as dangerous when she was not screaming at Marion (she might as well consider her "experiment" a success)

Hopefully the youngsters will start looking up to Petra and quit idolizing Pova and the rest of the fruits of the "Florida school" of tennis and thereby quit the screeching cuz I'm skeptical and don't expect Bolletieri and the other academies all around the Everglades will stop teaching it.
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Allaister is pulling nonsense out of her ass.

Look at what is happening: Kivitova just literally dismantling the idea that grunting helps in order to hit hard and win prizes.

Hopefully the youngsters will look at Petra as an example and quit idolizing Pova and the rest of the "fruits of Florida school" and thereby quit the screeching cuz I'm skeptical and don't expect Bolletieri and the other academies all around the Everglades will stop teaching it.
she is doing it after the point, so why should someone complain?
even wozniacka couldn't complain about that, I think allaister is right

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^ You misunderstood the issue in the article

What's at hand is the screaming DURING PLAY and not the various language "come ons" coming after the game points
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Well, we saw what Vika did against Bartoli, or better, didn't.
And what was Cirstea doing during FO when she was playing MLDB?
I'm sure that Bartoli was very disturbed by Azarenka's sound of silence.

I don't know what Cirstea did but she just said that no player has come directly to her with complaints, and she surely can't watch every match.


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^ You misunderstood the issue

What's at hand is the screaming DURING PLAY and not the various "come ons"
she doesn't scream during play, otherwise Eva would have called: Hindrance

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"Grunting is part of our sport—full stop,"

Then why is there a rule in tennis that prohibits it and states that the point should be awarded to the opponent when a player does it? Either change the hindrance rule or enforce it but don't just ignore it.
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The fact of the matter is that she will never take a stand against grunting because many of the top players do it, and it would be too controversial. Especially because of Crapova.

There's not much to "command" and analyze here.
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I don't buy that players are affected much by grunting. I've played against big grunters and I don't even notice it really once I start to get into the match. I also think it's partially a sexist thing that male tennis announcers have perpetuated and now it's gotten into the mainstream so people are piling on. Male players grunt, it's just a lower pitched sound so people don't complain as much.

If you are annoyed by the grunting while watching, that's understandable, but to equate it to cheating is ridiculous in my opinion.

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