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Time to go back to the divisor system?

Another year end and another slamless No. 1. The end of 2011 marks the 7th time in the last 15 years that the year end No. 1 has not won a Grand Slam during the year.

Hingis - 2000
Davenport - 2001, 2004, 2005
Jankovic - 2008
Wozniacki - 2010, 2011

Compare that to the 1975-1996 period where none of the year-end No. 1 were slamless. There was also a lot less switching between No. 1 players because the No. 1 ranking was very hard to attain. You had to be very, very consistent to get to No. 1. These days you just have to play more to be ranked higher.

Up till 1996, only 4 women were year end No. 1 players: Evert, Navratilova, Graf and Seles. That's a fairly exclusive list over a 22 year period. Since then, there has been 6 over a 15 year period: Hingis, Davenport, Serena, Henin, Jankovic, Wozniacki.

What's happened since 1997 and especially in the last few years is that the No. 1 is not something that's revered anymore. It was something that was up there with the slams. Players wanted to be a Grand Slam champion and No. 1. Now that's gone because there is a sense that anyone can be No. 1.

How long can they keep this up? Something needs to be done. Unless they bring back credibility to the No. 1 ranking, it will hurt the sport more than the top players not playing a lot through the year. IMO, they've sacrificed quality for quantity and all that's brought is ranking system that's no longer respected and a lot of injuries to a lot of players.

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post #2 of 62 (permalink) Old Oct 29th, 2011, 12:34 AM
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Re: Time to go back to the divisor system?

Who would be #1 under the divisor system this year? Sharapova?

I still think a system which takes in something like best 10 results would work best because it would really reflect those who get the highest quality titles, but the divisor system would certainly be an improvement on the current halfway-house system that the WTA use, as it would genuinely show who the most consistent players are, whereas the WTA's system, someone like Wozniacki can get to #1 despite flopping at all the big events AND being an inconsistent mess and having ton of terrible embarrassing defeats.
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Agreed. Divisor system FTW.
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I think one step in the right direction is brining back quality points....NOW before i get blasted with comments such as (the top players are MUGs so therefore they would give easy points blah blah blah), i think in exchange it would reward players who finish deep AND have quality wins and prevent players with so called "cake draws" from having inflated rankings, and also those so called " top 10 mugs" may not even be top players anymore due to this system. Plus i've never thought it was fair for example: in a GS 1st round one players wins over a WC ranked #550 and another player upsets the 6th seed yet both women get equal points, that's just not fair to me. Now one way to avoid "cheap" wins over injured top players, is exclude 'Quality Points' IF your opponent retires mid way through the match.

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Re: Time to go back to the divisor system?

What was the divisor system?

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Re: Time to go back to the divisor system?

I agree. Bonus points should be back. It's stupid to argue that they're difficult for the casual fans. Come on already! They were great and spiced up the rankings week after week.

Also the divisor system would be a good idea IMO. I don't know if Pushniacki would fuck up the rankings also with the divisor system, but it was quite good as it was.

One thing nobody can deny it's that slamless number ones are VERY BAD for tennis. Being an unknown doesn't help either.


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Wait.. so a divisor system will fix anything? No, of course not.

Which slam winner deserves #1? Answer? None of them.
Kvitova has too many unacceptable losses although she looks like the best of the worst this year. Worst of course being everyone in the WTA

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Wait.. so a divisor system will fix anything? No, of course not.

Which slam winner deserves #1? Answer? None of them.
Kvitova has too many unacceptable losses although she looks like the best of the worst this year. Worst of course being everyone in the WTA
She has far less "unacceptable losses" than Wozniacki.
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She has far less "unacceptable losses" than Wozniacki.
Well the big one is 1st round at USO. It's hard to be #1 and lose first round in a slam. A better performance at PM's and P5's would have helped too.

It's not like these girls didn't have a chance. They just all fucked it up.. every single one.

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Wait.. so a divisor system will fix anything? No, of course not.

Which slam winner deserves #1? Answer? None of them.
Kvitova has too many unacceptable losses although she looks like the best of the worst this year. Worst of course being everyone in the WTA
No offense but that's been the case for the last hanful of YE #1's since 2007/2008(even including many of you guys' precious Serena Williams YE 2009 season which saw her winning just 3 of her 16 events and having no less than 3 1st losses, a 2rd loss and 2 3rd losses yet that was the best player that year lol)

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No offense but that's been the case for the last hanful of YE #1's since 2007/2008(even including many of you guys' precious Serena Williams YE 2009 season which saw her winning just 3 of her 16 events and having no less than 3 1st losses, a 2rd loss and 2 3rd losses yet that was the best player that year lol)
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She has far less "unacceptable losses" than Wozniacki.
She lost in an ITF against Rybarikova not to mention her 1st round loss in the US against Dulgheru! So much for "far less"!


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Another year end and another slamless No. 1. The end of 2011 marks the 7th time in the last 15 years that the year end No. 1 has not won a Grand Slam during the year.

Hingis - 2000
Davenport - 2001, 2004, 2005
Jankovic - 2008
Wozniacki - 2010, 2011

Compare that to the 1975-1996 period where none of the year-end No. 1 were slamless. There was also a lot less switching between No. 1 players because the No. 1 ranking was very hard to attain.
This has nothing to do with the ranking system. From 1975 to 1996 just 4 players ruled the tennis world. The thing is nobody these days dominates the Tour as Navratilova, Evert, Graf or Seles did at their prime. Give me today someone with their CV and I assure you that no matter which ranking system you use she will be #1 for sure. The problem is domination. Nobody is consistent enough today to be a major force for long, but this has nothing to do with a specific ranking system.

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Actually, what the WTA is living now is what the ATP lived not too long ago with the random Grand Slam wins of Korda, Johansson or Gaudio and weak #1 like Ríos, Moyŕ or Ferrero. What they had these last few years (Federer & Nadal) is kinda similar of the Evert vs Navratilova or Graf vs Seles eras. So we can only hope that better times for womens tennis will come

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She lost in an ITF against Rybarikova not to mention her 1st round loss in the US against Dulgheru! So much for "far less"!
Umm the loss to Barrois is far more shameful than the loss to Princess Magda in her home country ITF in the Final. Don't make me cut you.

I don't know who can say this scoring system is right or accurate. Epecially if Kvitova wins YEC.

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