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Venus Williams forehand > backhand now. Why???

I have a question about Venus Williams.

In her earlier career she had the greatest backhand on tour - but a not so good forehand.
Now she sets up the majority of her points with a strong forehand - on which she really worked and which she fixed. But since that I think she lost her great backhand, now her backhand is just solid.

What do you guys think about that? I don´t come to any conclusion. Is it an athletic thing or did she change technique. Or didn´t she train that backhand seriously enough anymore? What do you think...

I mean working on her weaker forehand over the years shouldn´t mean she weakens her backhand.

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Wait...Venus still plays tennis?
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I do think so Most of the time better than some others ^^
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Re: Venus Williams forehand > backhand now. Why???

Her backhand hasn't been the same since she had the left wrist surgery in 2004 or 2006.
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Re: Venus Williams forehand > backhand now. Why???

It never had the same fluidity post 2006 wrist surgery.
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Re: Venus Williams forehand > backhand now. Why???

Her BH DTL on the run is still the business but she doesn't really hit it from a neutral position like she used to.
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Her BH DTL on the run is still the business but she doesn't really hit it from a neutral position like she used to.
Her BH is almost exclusively open-stanced now. Therefore she's less able to rotate her wrist and change the direction explosively. Back in the day, it was a tad less open, and she was able to control and re-direct the shot with easy pace and disguise. Now she almost has to drag her whole body-weight into the shot DTL.
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She used to hit her BH DTL at will with great power and accuracy.

Now she's very reluctant to go DTL and it's not a deadly shot anymore

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I have a question about Venus Williams.

In her earlier career she had the greatest backhand on tour - but a not so good forehand.
Now she sets up the majority of her points with a strong forehand - on which she really worked and which she fixed. But since that I think she lost her great backhand, now her backhand is just solid.

What do you guys think about that? I don´t come to any conclusion. Is it an athletic thing or did she change technique. Or didn´t she train that backhand seriously enough anymore? What do you think...

I mean working on her weaker forehand over the years shouldn´t mean she weakens her backhand.
You're right, she made a concerted effort to improve her forehand and I think it was around the 2008 US Open when I first noticed her running around her backhand to hit inside out forehands consistently. Back then her backhand, in my opinion, was pretty good but not as spectacular as prior years.

I put the more recent deterioration of her BH down to three factors:
1.Her left knee injury. When suffering from that injury she seems to be unable to push off her left leg w causing her to hit short imprecise backhands. At the height of that injury (2010 US Open) her backhand was shockingly poor.

2. Her tendency to hit with an open-stance. The Dawntreader has already pointed this out. I think O-S certainly backhands have their advantages and Venus has been hitting this shot since the beginning of her career but she has a tendency to be lazy in her footwork these days and sometimes when hitting the ball in the middle of the court she will LITERALLY JUST STAND THERE and swing and I don't think that helps at all.

3. Her racket change. I honestly believe, and this is from my own personal experience, that the older "head-heavy" rackets lend themselves better to hitting heavier backhands. I may be wrong but the bigger racket-heads that Venus used to play with seemed to have this quality. It looked to me like she just took a swing and the momentum created by the heavy racket just did its thing.

Juss my two cents.

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Those MONSTROUS BH DTL against Capriati at the USopen still make me

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i think venus may have been hurt by the gradual slowing down of courts over time and the higher bounce that is more common now. her backhand is best when she actually hits it pretty low (knee to waist height), where as most 2 handers like hip to shoulder height hit points now. it is one of the reasons grass has been such a good surface for her (plus several other things).

she has a very unique low take back where she sort of cocks the wrists and then snaps them through the shot. this prep on shoulder to head height balls is probably a nightmare for her.

one of the 2 reasons i think venus has lost to kim over the last few years (stamina being the other) is the backhand to backhand rallies. whilst both can spank forehands and make crass errors on that side, venus better serve canceled out by kim's great return and movement, the real difference is kim looking more comfortable and able to angle backhands from most heights open or closed stance.

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Re: Venus Williams forehand > backhand now. Why???

Like the others have said, its probably injury related. But also... I think personally that it atleast shows that Venus has been willing to actively work to improve her game. She knew her FH was her weaker shot and now it is not. Whether that is totally up her to determination or more largely because of her wrist injury we will never know... but atleast some of it has been that her FH has truely gotten better with time.
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Than who? Domachowska?
dude, compose yourself.. your faves are 1-14 with venus and that 1 was a generous gift

as for the topic..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AZwxpBGhdDw (venus dolonts, her last match 1:50)
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