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Smile Astute Tennis Fans Now Realize - The Sisters Can Be Beat

I think the way Jen played Serena was a good indication that she can beat Serena - and that Serena can be seriously challenged. Jen won the match in my eyes and I'll tell you why. She won because she almost won. She won because she believes she can win. I have more respect for Jen after this match than the match before - for she was not laying down for no Williams. And that is as it should be. A couple of points here and there - and she would have won it.

The way Jen performed proves that there are challengers to the Sisters. Monica almost took Venus to a third set - and she definitely took it to Venus. Kim was going to give my girl a run for her runner up or winner's check - and Kim will give Serena a great go at the title on 11/11/02. I can just feel it. Kim has never beaten Serena - and that may change tomorrow.

I think the point has been made that if a player is determined and confident enough - said player can beat a Williams. Who didn't know that? The main battle is the mindset that shouts - "I can beat her." One has to believe in order to achieve - and it is as simple as that.

Next year should be really exciting. Does anyone know who has committed to which tourney to start 2003 as of yet?

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post #2 of 52 (permalink) Old Nov 11th, 2002, 01:10 AM
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Yeah she's still human! It's just that, other than today, no one ever seems to give 100% against her!!!
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Thumbs up Serena to face Clijsters for season-ending title

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Serena to face Clijsters for season-ending title
Los Angeles, CA (Sports Network) - Serena Williams, the world's No. 1 ranked player, rallied from a set down to beat third seed Jennifer Capriati, 2-6, 6-4, 6-4 to advance to the final of the WTA Tour's season-ending Home Depot Championships at Staples Center.

Williams will next face fifth seed Belgian Kim Clijsters, who advanced after second seed Venus Williams retired in the first set of their semifinal match due to a strain in her lower left leg. Venus said she twisted her ankle during a quarterfinal match against Monica Seles on Friday.

Clijsters was ahead 5-0 in the first set when Venus strained the peroneal muscle in her left leg just 13 minutes into the match.

It was the second time Venus pulled out of a match in California at the last minute. She didn't play in the semifinals against Serena, her younger sister, in the Tennis Masters Series at Indian Wells in 2001.

This was the fourth time in the last five years that Venus pulled out of the season-ending championships. Last year she hurt her left wrist and in 2000 she had anemia and in 1998 a knee injury prevented her from participating.

Serena lost the first set of her semifinal in just 32 minutes, but rallied over the final two sets, which lasted 99 minutes. Serena drilled 14 aces to just two for Capriati, but had 53 unforced errors to just 23 for Capriati. Serena also had 42 winners, while Capriati had only 11.

It was the seventh win for Serena over Capriati in 11 lifetime meetings and Williams has won the last six encounters.

Serena, the French Open, Wimbledon, and U.S. Open Champion, captured this event last year in Munich, when she won via a walkover against an injured Lindsay Davenport.

Clijsters is looking for her fourth title this year, while Serena is trying for her ninth championship of 2002. Serena has won all five lifetime meetings against Clijsters, including a three-set win at the Princess Cup in Japan in September.

The winner of this year's $3 million event will claim $765,000.





11/10 19:34:02 ET

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But Serena still won. Yes they can be beaten but they always come out on top. They are true champions.
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I understand where you are going with your post, but it could also be the straw that breaks Capriati's back. Capriati played the best against Serena that she has ever played, but still could not come up with the win. How many more of these close matches can she take before she begins to doubt herself.

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omigod people didnt you already know she could be beat? Chanda and Patty and Justine already did it this year which means she can beat even while dominating.

Jen has played her close, momo has played venus close as well as kim who has beaten venus.

it should come as no great surprise.

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Sorry Gogogirl, but I feel like Jen always felt she could beat Serena. Most of the time it goes to 3 sets between them. Jen has beaten Rena before, but I think what the difference is right now is Serena's will not to lose. She has approached this whole year with that attitude, and has gotten mentally stronger.

For you to say that now Jen feels she can beat Serena is a little over the top dont ya think? The belief has always been there, it's just hasn't happened in 6 times. She was very close in most of those matches.

Futhermore, I feel the tour will get tougher and it remains to be seen if Serena can keep up form. Today she didn't play so well and squeeked by Jen and that was due to her mental game.

Good luck to Rena in the finals! I hope she wins, but I wouldn't be upset if Kim won either!

Congrats Rena, and Kimmy!
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Just how astute are these tennis fans who just figured out what the rest of the world already knew?

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I Hear Y'all

And I still say that one player can not win all the time - and I don't care who it is. Serena will lose again - and we all know that. What my point is that believing that you can win is half the battle. Should all the players go into it thinking they have no chance against the Sisters - like some players have done this year?

Williams fans must not get toooooo complacent into thinking our girls will always win - because they won't. I meant not to take anything away from Serena's desire to win - because I love her wining spirit and heart - but Jen almost won. For God's sakes a win by two points or so is still a win - but it also gives the opponent on the other side of the net that fighting spirit to say -"hey wait a minute - I almost won and WILL win next time."

Do we or do we not want competition in this league? Surely - we will pull and root for our faves - but we also need to give ourselves a little cushion by admitting that our faves won't win each and every time to make up for their losses that end up depressing us. If Serena loses to Kim 6-3 - 6-3 will the fans be able to handle it? I know I would - because I know Kim is a big time player. She has the goods to take it to Serena. If Serena is not on her game and Kim is - then what?

We need to pray that these other ladies will provide a challenge to our girls - so that we continue to appreciate our faves feats when pulling out a tough match like today. We also need to give credit to players that beat them or almost beat them. We can't walk around w/our noses up in the air all the time - now can we? If we do - then it will hurt more when our fave fails or loses.

All I'm saying is that I hope this tourney proves to the tennis world at large that there is fair competition on the WTA tour. And that TPsTB need not rewrite the record and rules books because of the Sisters.

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Jen herself said that she doesnt feel like the underdog when playing serena. she feels she is serena's equal or better and will beat her. jen does not lack in desire or confidence or ego. She feels she should have won every single match against serena and has stated so previously.

Like someone else said serena gets visibly nervous when playing jen its like she hits these crazy unforced errors on easy shots. I think those four consecutive losses drove serena to the point she declared its do or die and she did.

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If Jen "won" this match, did she also win in Canada [63 in the 3rd]; Scottsdale [64 in 3rd]; Miami [75 76]; Rome [75 in the 3rd]; Paris [36 76 62]??

All of their matches are close; Serena's just better at closing it out now
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You bring up a great point, GG. This match should demonstrate that the Williams Sisters aren't the only ones on the tour with the goods. I think less people would be complaining about the domination of the Williams, if the rest of the players took it to the Williams as consistently as Jenn does.

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Smile Okay

That's right PS. So are you saying Jen will never beat Serena again?

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notice I said she feels she SHOULD have won not that she actually did. Like how you may feel you SHOULD have gotten an a on a test but actually got a b.

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Thanks BR. I think you've got my point.

Jelena almost won the first set against Serena. This ain't horse shoes no doubt - but it is still tennis. A point here or there. A net cord here or there. An error here or there. An ACE here or there. You get my drift righto.

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