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Martina is the real GOAT. She wins.


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I think with Serena at her very best Martina would have alot of trouble with her power. She never faced that kind of power in her prime, and by the time she started facing it with Graf and Seles she was mostly past her prime so it is hard to guage how she would have handled it. However the power of Graf and even moreso Seles was challenging for her. Serena overall has more power than either Graf or Seles. Her will to win is unmatched by almost any women in history, and I think her nerve is stronger than Martina too.
Martina's H2H's against Steffi and Monica reflect well on her ability to cope with the powerful generation that came after her. 9-9 against Graf (including 2-2 in their last 4 matches when Martina was 34-37) and 7-10 against Seles (Martina first played her when she was approx 33 years old). I think she liked pace coming at her as she had good enough hands to use their pace.

I think she'd be able to cope with Serena off the ground well enough. But if Serena has an ON serving day, Martina would certainly struggle with getting her serve back.

Of even more significance, there's this little gap in Graf's resume the size of the hole in the ozone layer: It's called Monica Seles. Was Graf the best female player of all time? She wasn't even the best in the heart of her career.
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Serena. I reckon Serena could beat half the men!! Best female tennis player EVER.
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Serena would wipe the floor with Navs. Next, seriously.
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Serena would wipe the floor with Navs. Next, seriously.
LOL.. creating new profiles just to give Serena an extra vote.. Desperado....

Of even more significance, there's this little gap in Graf's resume the size of the hole in the ozone layer: It's called Monica Seles. Was Graf the best female player of all time? She wasn't even the best in the heart of her career.
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LOL.. creating new profiles just to give Serena an extra vote.. Desperado....


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Navratilova and Evert would both give Serena a serious slap-down. They were both superior in almost every aspect of the game except for power. But as Martina mentions in the interview, Serena's power can also be used against her by efficient counterpunching.
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Martina's H2H's against Steffi and Monica reflect well on her ability to cope with the powerful generation that came after her. 9-9 against Graf (including 2-2 in their last 4 matches when Martina was 34-37) and 7-10 against Seles (Martina first played her when she was approx 33 years old). I think she liked pace coming at her as she had good enough hands to use their pace.

I think she'd be able to cope with Serena off the ground well enough. But if Serena has an ON serving day, Martina would certainly struggle with getting her serve back.
Good points although remember she began playing Graf and Seles when they were both 15 and played many matches against both before they even turned 17 (Seles) or 18 (Graf). Martina could definitely cope with pace but she still admited she found the pace of Graf, Seles, and even Mandlikova more of a challenge to her when playing well then the more conservative and far less explosive although excellent and precise hitting of Evert.

I agree that Serenas serve which is the best in womens tennis history would be the biggest worry of all for Martina (like virtually everyone who plays Serena).
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50-year-old Martin would struggle against Serena but Martina at her best is the best ever and would beat Peak-Serena.
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Good points although remember she began playing Graf and Seles when they were both 15 and played many matches against both before they even turned 17 (Seles) or 18 (Graf). Martina could definitely cope with pace but she still admited she found the pace of Graf, Seles, and even Mandlikova more of a challenge to her when playing well then the more conservative and far less explosive although excellent and precise hitting of Evert.

I agree that Serenas serve which is the best in womens tennis history would be the biggest worry of all for Martina (like virtually everyone who plays Serena).
Martina never played Steffi when she was 15 years old. They first played in the US Open semis in 85 when Graf was 16. Also she had been on tour already since 1983, so she had had quite a bit of time on tour. She was good enough in 85 to make the US SF's. She was no rookie. So they played twice that year. 1986 was a year where Graf pushed Martina to match point down in the US semi's and she only lost 5 or 6 matches all year so I think you can only discount the 2 matches in 85 as being somewhat irrelevant due to Graf being young.

Even so, 2-2 in their last 4 meetings with Graf in peak years and Martina well and truley past her peak (34-37) show that Martina's game stacked up strongly against Graf.

Im pretty sure Monica was 16 when they first played each other, not 15 either. They played twice in 89, and the next year Seles was winning her first slam so its not like they played HEAPS of time's before both Graf and Seles were at or near the top.

Ive read and memorised just about every interview with Martina. You are correct in that she found Seles game VERYdifficult because Monica had pace off both sides and she didnt have an obvious side to attack. She might have felt intimidated by the power on Graf's forehand (and to lesser degree serve), but she always knew she had a chance to exploit Graf's slice backhand which her record shows good success at doing.

Ive never ever heard her say that she struggled with the POWER of Mandikova. Would appreciate seeing what you've seen if you have a source? Her problems with Hana were mainly, Hana took the net away from Martina and Martina often had mental issues playing fellow czechs.

Of even more significance, there's this little gap in Graf's resume the size of the hole in the ozone layer: It's called Monica Seles. Was Graf the best female player of all time? She wasn't even the best in the heart of her career.
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Serena. I reckon Serena could beat half the men!! Best female tennis player EVER.
absolutly no chance. women haven't got the physical basis like men. i bet every top300 atp player would beat her. as example, compare men/women in athletic sports or swimming.
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Martina's serve and volley game would give Serena fits, I think most of their sets would go to tiebreaks as they are probably the best two servers ever. Martina's style would mean she'd be far more of a headache for Serena than Graf or Evert but it would be a good match up.
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I have been pondering over this for days, it would be incredible to see Serena and Martina playing in their peaks against each other. It would be great to see what they drew out of each other, would Martina's serve and volley force Serena to play a more net orientated game? Martina would be the most challenging match up for Serena IMO. I originally thought Serena, however now the more I think about the more I think about why Martina would win.

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Martina 6-3 6-4. She's just a better player...
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