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Evert: puts Serena with Graf and Navratilova

Obviously not only Serena fans think this way! Lets see how the Serena haters handle this especially the Steffi worshipers who think women's tennis is non existent since Steffi retired.
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Chris Evert calls Serena Williams the favorite to win the U.S. Open and also says the 13-time Grand Slam champion's career can be placed alongside those of 22-time Grand Slam winner Steffi Graf and 18-time Grand Slam winner Martina Navratilova.

"We saw her at Wimbledon, and I think even though she lost a close match to [Marion] Bartoli, Bartoli played out of her head," said Evert in an ESPN conference call. "I think that exceeded people's expectations, that Serena would do that well at Wimbledon after being out for a year and all her health issues. She committed herself. She practiced. She's won two tournaments. That's unbelievable. Not to undermine the rest of the field, but it just shows that she's head and shoulders above anybody else, again, when she's healthy.

"I'd put her right up there [as the greatest of all time] with Martina and Steffi. She's the best comeback player we've ever seen. If you look at the last 10 years, she's been out, she comes back. Even when she hasn't been in shape, she can still win a Grand Slam. She is an incredible athlete. She's got the power. She's got the speed. She's got the mental toughness. There isn't a chi-nk in the armor there at all. Her health is her own worst enemy. Her health is her rival or competitor."


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Obviously not only Serena fans think this way! Lets see how the Serena haters handle this especially the Steffi worshipers who think women's tennis is non existent since Steffi retired.
I would like to see how the Serena "fans" who hammered Chrissie for her "open letter" to Serena handle this.

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Well, I was just looking at this ranking graph for Serena, and it is interesting because it shows an incredible drive to get to the top of the game over and over again. She is a tough and determined woman. One should never count her out. I think Chris has it right here.
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I would like to see how the Serena "fans" who hammered Chrissie for her "open letter" to Serena handle this.
What is the relevance?
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What is the relevance?
People tore Evert apart for being criticizing Serena (yet, the letter was incredibly complimentary) and now Evert is rejoicing in Serena's success (paralleling the letter - which people took incorrectly).

I doubt the open letter even hurt Serena, it only motivated her. If you read her "autobiography", she acknowledged she wanted nothing to do with tennis and then rekindled her fire overnight.
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Did she forget to mention herself and Seles ?

Serena is up there with Seles, Evert, Navratilova and Graf.
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I may not go as far as Chrissie, but i will say she certainly is one of the best to have ever played the game.

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I would like to see how the Serena "fans" who hammered Chrissie for her "open letter" to Serena handle this.
Very few people are wrong ALL the time, Darrin. You know, the ol' "Even a broken clock..." adage.

In addition, many of us who criticized her open letter were criticizing her for just that - THE OPEN LETTER - and the manner in which her opinion was offered, not her perspective on the history of the game and where players fit among it. That's an entirely different subject.

Anybody here who thinks Evert isn't in a better position then they to historically assess Serena's place in the game and how she stacks up against Nav' and Graf is an utter fool. A FOOL.

Further, nobody back then took issue when Chris, even in a letter that was unnecessarily made public, declared THEN that Serena not only was among the greatest of all time but COULD end up being the greatest. Serena fans didn't cherry pick on that one. We all saw that Chris credited Serena's greatness.

Apparently what you failed to understand then and seem to continued to do so now is it was the the MANNER in which she did it that MOST of us had a problem with.

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People tore Evert apart for being criticizing Serena (yet, the letter was incredibly complimentary) and now Evert is rejoicing in Serena's success (paralleling the letter - which people took incorrectly).

I doubt the open letter even hurt Serena, it only motivated her. If you read her "autobiography", she acknowledged she wanted nothing to do with tennis and then rekindled her fire overnight.
You seem as though you are keeping charts of all the disagreements and points made. [I'm sorry. Not you, In the Zone. DarrinBaker00.]

In any case, people can be wrong on some points and right on others. That is human.

Frankly, the points Evert made in her letter to Serena were about things she values and not necessarily things that Serena values. Therefore, the main point of her open letter was to score publicity for her magazine. She's no different than Chris Chase (Yahoo) in that respect, except she has more tennis knowledge than he does.
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I would like to see how the Serena "fans" who hammered Chrissie for her "open letter" to Serena handle this.
I'll still hammer her for that open letter. It was more for publicity for her magazine. End of discussion.

Evert ALWAYS has alterior motives.
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Well, Serena got lucky in the game...

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Did you see that final? Mirnyi was absolutely useless, paralyzed by nerves and he kept feeding Bryan easy volleys with his BH return. Robson played a very good first set but became equally useless after that. So basically it was Murray vs Azarenka, and Vika won believe it or not.
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and lol since Serena is on the same level than Graf and Navratilova? They are out of her league, a league above I would say

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You seem as though you are keeping charts of all the disagreements and points made. [I'm sorry. Not you, In the Zone. DarrinBaker00.]

In any case, people can be wrong on some points and right on others. That is human.

Frankly, the points Evert made in her letter to Serena were about things she values and not necessarily things that Serena values. Therefore, the main point of her open letter was to score publicity for her magazine. She's no different than Chris Chase (Yahoo) in that respect, except she has more tennis knowledge than he does.
The ordeal about the open letter was so blown out of proportion by some fans that it did not require anyone to "keep score"...especially since some people still love to say "Chris hates Serena".

Chris's letter to Serena was a genuine outreach to try and save women's tennis. She knew that women's tennis needed superstars, and that there is none bigger than Serena Williams. She also knew that Serena had a chance to make a push to place herself among the GOATs. She was right in everything she said. The WTA tour is falling apart and Serena has missed her chance to be truly considered alongside Martina, Margaret, Steffi, and Chrissie. In Chris's day older players reached out to help the younger players in time of need.

When it comes to Serena being compared to Nav and Graf (which Chris so modestly left herself out...once again being Chrissie America or Little Miss Perfect), when playing her best tennis, or anywhere near her best for that matter, Serena can hold her own against any of those ladies.

However, Serena was rarely at or around her best in her career. You simply cannot compare someone who has played 593 matches and lost 103, with someone who has played 1448 matches and lost only 144 (Chris) or someone who has played 1661 singles matches, and 890 doubles matches (Navratilova)(and I'm guessing more as these are only according to the WTA site) and won 167 singles titles compared to Serena's 39.

You can say what you want about different generations and the evolution of the difficulty of the game, but take a look at Martina Nav in her prime and tell me she didn't train her butt off. I'm not buying it.

Serena is the greatest of her generation, there is no disputing that. She simply did not take enough interest in the game to be considered anything more. There's no shame in that, especially if she is happy with her decision to have her own personal life.

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