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Red face Proof That USO Draw Is Fixed (At Least For Top 2 SEEDS)

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Caro and Vera will get cakewalk draws this year

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Re: Proof That USO Draw Is Fixed (At Least For Top 2 SEEDS)

Interesting that it only happens in New York.

As long as the matches aren't fixed, it's all right.

Nobody would be surprise to learn that they try to put some players in the same half to get the best match-ups for the SFs and the F. Very likely.

Still, the tournament director would most probably want to "protect" the Sisters and Maria instead of Caroline and Vera.
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did caro not play a gullickson last year?

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Still, the tournament director would most probably want to "protect" the Sisters and Maria instead of Caroline and Vera.
yeah but the study only focused on the top 2 SEEDS instead of American players ... anyway, the USO has for years protechted Agassi, Roddick, Serena, Venus, Capriati etc.

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Re: Proof That USO Draw Is Fixed (At Least For Top 2 SEEDS)

That's so interesting! I'm enjoying this read.

Maybe new software for the usopen? I hope we hear more from this.

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Please put Serena far from Maria
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I'm a little suspicious that they did this analysis incorrectly. Did they use relative rankings or actual rankings?

If they ranked bad players at 1500 instead of 128, then a couple truly random results could completely skew their findings, plausibly giving us the 98 number(versus an expected average of 80) that they find so suspicious.

Why I am suspicious is because the French Open women's draw is nearly as hard in the opposite direction. Also, the 95% Australian Open figure sticks out. Are they going to make the case that the French rigged the draw to screw over the top ranked women?

These extreme values in both directions make me think they might have incorrectly used actual instead of relative rankings.

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In their analysis, they said they used a 'Random-Number-Generator', no kidding. I've been doing the very exact thing for the past 6 years to select my lotto numbers. How much have I won to-date? (I hear you ask) about £89! I always knew the lotto was rigged, now I have my proof, thanks!
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Just imagine they get Venus in R1 now.

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Funny how the examples are all American.

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1995

[1] Graf vs. #22 Coetzer
[2] Seles vs. #44 Dragomir

1996

[1] Graf vs. #29 Basuki
[2] Seles vs. #65 Miller

1997

[1] Hingis vs. #103 Jones
[2] Seles vs. #84 Boogert

1998

[1] Hingis vs. #139 Olsza
[2] Davenport vs. #75 Cristea

1999

[1] Hingis vs. #74 Peschke
[2] Davenport vs. #36 Morariu

2000

[1] Hingis vs. #101 Jidkova
[2] Davenport vs. #29 Leon Garcia

2001

[1] Hingis vs. [WC] #336 Granville
[2] Capriati vs. [Q] #142 Hopmans

2002

[1] S. Williams vs. [WC] UNR Morariu
[2] V. Williams vs. [Q] #214 Lucic

2003

[1] Clijsters vs. [WC] #290 Liu
[2] Henin vs. [Q] #129 Kapros

2004

[1] Henin vs. [Q] #126 Vaidisova
[2] Mauresmo vs. #83 Irvin

2005

[1] Sharapova vs. #62 Daniilidou
[2] Davenport vs. #40 Li

2006

[1] Mauresmo vs. [Q] #131 Barrois
[2] Henin vs. #45 Camerin

2007

[1] Henin vs. [Q] #145 Goerges
[2] Sharapova vs. #51 Vinci

2008

[1] Ivanovic vs. #57 Dushevina
[2] Jankovic vs. [WC] #512 Vandeweghe

2009

[1] Safina vs. [WC] #167 Rogowska
[2] S. Williams vs. [WC] #103 Glatch

2010

[1] Wozniacki vs. [WC] UNR Gullickson
[2] Clijsters vs. #104 Arn

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Re: Proof That USO Draw Is Fixed (At Least For Top 2 SEEDS)

Please put Maria and Serena on opposite side of the draw

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Re: Proof That USO Draw Is Fixed (At Least For Top 2 SEEDS)

So 6 of the seeds were average to below average, when you would expect 10.

Still, 20 is a very small sample.

This is similar to asking what the probability of flipping coin <= 6 times out of 20 is.
I'm not sure, but I think the answer is 6%.

While 6% does seem like a low figure, it is certainly probable enough that these results could possibly still be explained away as a random coincidence. 1 in 17 events happen all the time.

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