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Sharapova victory over Jankovic proves she still has mental hold over some top player

I really thought Jelena Jankovic was going to come up with a huge victory yesterday and she blew it in the second set tiebreaker. The problem I notice with Jankovic is her attitude on the court I just feel she doesn't take tennis seriously enough. Jankovic has all the tools to become a champion but she just doesn't have the mental toughness. It is so strange that Jankovic has a great record against the Williams Sisters yet she just doesn't do well against Sharapova. Jankovic was not bold or aggressive enough and that's why she lost this match. I don't think Jelena choked but I do feel that she did not believe in her heart she could beat Sharapova. People go on and on this board about Maria's serve yet they don't seem to want to admit she is a lot tougher mentally than most of the women on the WTA Tour. I look at Jelena Jankovic and I see an extremely talented tennis player she moves well, can volley, has a good serve. However, Jelena lacks that focus that grit and determination. I think it is shocking that Jelena has only reached one slam final she's too talented to not win a slam.
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totally agree with you. After going down 1-4 in 1st set Sanchez went on court and told her to be more agressive, she did listen to him to a certain point, and it messed up Maria's plot for almost two sets... However I do feel her effort was far from enough, the proof being her backhand down the line - once a powerful weapon, now just a good shot from time to time - she herself said there was nothing special she does with that shot but rather it came naturally - one swing and it was there. These days she lacks belief in it, and the right "swing" is gone...

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Her wins over Vera and Jelena shows she still competes very hard, and still perfect in third sets this year.
She fought very hard at Cincy last year. She has to do that in NY where she hasnt gone far in a few years.

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Yep...but that's be known for sometime already. The ONLY player that TOTALLY psyches Maria out is Serena.

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JJ sort of ran out of gas in the end because it's been mentally drained for her as well during the match as she had to face numerous breakpoints. I guess she just didn't want it as bad as Sharapova so Maria could turn things around and win it all. Had she been aggressive enough, she would have gone for broke at either 4-5 and 5-6 when Sharapova was serving to stay in the match given the circumstances that her serve was so fragile. But that said, JJ's serve abandoned her to, which was a surprise that she hit that many Dfs.
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But the flip side of this would have been disastrous, because that is the only thing she can hang her hat on in this match

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It is so strange that Jankovic has a great record against the Williams Sisters yet she just doesn't do well against Sharapova. Jankovic was not bold or aggressive enough and that's why she lost this match.
It's not strange.

Jankovic is a defensive player.

Sharapova is an offensive player who often struggles against offensive players but usually does well against defensive ones. The best way to beat Maria is to put pressure on her- just returning all her groundstrokes is a losing proposition.

Serena is just the opposite of Maria in terms of how to beat her. She does great against offensive players but struggles against defensive ones. Pressuring her never works, which is why Maria does so bad against her(attacking is Maria's main weapon). The way to beat Serena is to defend well and hit everything to the lines.

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Indeed...Serena just sees another Davenport in Maria. Likes the pace and doesn't have to hit too many extra balls, excellent.

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I really thought Jelena Jankovic was going to come up with a huge victory yesterday and she blew it in the second set tiebreaker. The problem I notice with Jankovic is her attitude on the court I just feel she doesn't take tennis seriously enough. Jankovic has all the tools to become a champion but she just doesn't have the mental toughness. It is so strange that Jankovic has a great record against the Williams Sisters yet she just doesn't do well against Sharapova. Jankovic was not bold or aggressive enough and that's why she lost this match. I don't think Jelena choked but I do feel that she did not believe in her heart she could beat Sharapova. People go on and on this board about Maria's serve yet they don't seem to want to admit she is a lot tougher mentally than most of the women on the WTA Tour. I look at Jelena Jankovic and I see an extremely talented tennis player she moves well, can volley, has a good serve. However, Jelena lacks that focus that grit and determination. I think it is shocking that Jelena has only reached one slam final she's too talented to not win a slam.
I agree that Jelena sure didn't seem to believe in herself in that match and that she was playng really well and that Maria proved that she was mentally tougher, but I think it's a bit pushy to call JJ a top player at this moment, I'd consider her win against Zvonareva a much better sign of Maria's mental toughnest against top player as she's #2. I agree with you that Jelena lacks of heart in her game, I remember watching her match earlier this week and she was blaming her box (coach and mum) to not cheer enough for her, that they were like deads in her box not giving her energy. I'm sorry but yes a box of supporters can help you during a match but as a top player or any atletes you shouldn't count on that to play well or not.

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Indeed...Serena just sees another Davenport in Maria. Likes the pace and doesn't have to hit too many extra balls, excellent.
I slightly disagree with you (and the futureIsNow, if that is the poster you are agreeing with).

Yes, Serena has easier time with offensive minded players, but she can also adjust to defensive minder players and still beat them, some using her superior will and determination to win. And that is what set her apart.


The exception among these offensive minded player is Capriati. She was a complete player with respect to these 2 criteria, and Serena had hard the hardest time with her.
They also get into each others head, which is no small factor. Most of the times, it is Serena who gets in her opponent's head.
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Who cares, janko and the tall skinny one are both highly overrated
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It's not strange.

Jankovic is a defensive player.

Sharapova is an offensive player who often struggles against offensive players but usually does well against defensive ones. The best way to beat Maria is to put pressure on her- just returning all her groundstrokes is a losing proposition.

Serena is just the opposite of Maria in terms of how to beat her. She does great against offensive players but struggles against defensive ones. Pressuring her never works, which is why Maria does so bad against her(attacking is Maria's main weapon). The way to beat Serena is to defend well and hit everything to the lines.
Well, not quite. Her three main nemesis on the tour currently are Serena, Azarenka & Li Na, neither of them a defensive speciallist. The biggest problems she's ever had with were players who can mix up a fairly good offense with a very solid defense, Kuznetsova & Henin being the prime examples. But then generally I also prefer seeing her against offensive ballbashers rather then defensive pushers. Azarenka & Li are still a thorn in the side. I agree on the Serena part though.

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Over the thread title, Jankovic has not really been a top 5 player in years,

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I look at Jelena Jankovic and I see an extremely talented tennis player she moves well, can volley, has a good serve. However, Jelena lacks that focus that grit and determination.
I actually think its totally the opossite, Jelena is lacking a lot in her game, she does not have a real weapon, her golden backhand down the line is a rare event these days, and her serve is not something to write headlines either.
She still has focus and determination, what she is lacking is some the tecnical aspects, her forehand breaks down so easily, and today she is not as fast as she was come years ago.

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I look at Jelena Jankovic and I see an extremely talented tennis player she moves well, can volley, has a good serve. However, Jelena lacks that focus that grit and determination. I think it is shocking that Jelena has only reached one slam final she's too talented to not win a slam.
At this point Jelena has not shown that she is a real grand slam contender, she reached that lone Usopen final and had a great 2008 but since then she has been a non factor even to reach the semis at these events.. Sooo

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Indeed...Serena just sees another Davenport in Maria. Likes the pace and doesn't have to hit too many extra balls, excellent.
not true.
The matchup with Serena is totally a mental one, since Maria choked quite a lot of important matches to her already, starting with 2005 AO and then wasting set points last year in their Wimby match. When Maria is painting the lines there's nothing any player can do, just like she proved in 2004 Wimby final. Matchup wise the players who give her the biggest trouble are all-courters like Henin, Mauresmo and to a lesser extent Kuzzy and Zvonareva. I'm not counting her terrible losses to Pushniacki, since she generally had a very poor year and was a mess up untill the clay season this spring.

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She has a mental edge over pretty much the entire WTA except for Serena. She'll continue folding like a discounted Decathlon tent against her.

The fact that she keeps focusing on winning no matter how many or how stupid her errors were is a testament to Maria's biggest asset. Somehow she never stops believing. I for one would've had an instant meltdown had I missed some of those forehands on BP
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