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We simply have a poor quality generation of players - better ones will come through soon 27 28.42%
Poor quality coaching 2 2.11%
We need to get rid of or relax the age eligibility rules 3 3.16%
The game is geared up to much to producing ball basher's without flair or imagination 19 20.00%
Some other problem(s) 1 1.05%
A combination of the above mentioned issues 21 22.11%
There is no problem 22 23.16%
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What is wrong with the WTA tour - or is nothing wrong?

We are currently witnessing the astonishing sight of legend Serena Williams demolishing all opposition just 2 months in after coming back from a whole year away from the tour and a life threatening condition. Just two years ago, another legend, Kim Clijsters, won the US Open just a couple of months after returning to the tour after 3 years away. What does all this say about the current state of the WTA tour? What this tells me is that we probably have one of the poorest quality top 10's since Billie Jean King founded the WTA in 1973. In fact, personally I cannot think of a worst top 10 than the one we have at the moment. I fear for the future of the tour and something needs to be done to turn this situation around and bring forth a new generation of stars. In fact, in my view the only world class player to emerge over the last 5 years is Petra Kvitova and presently, only a fit again Kim Clijsters, Petra Kvitova (once she has got over her post Wimbledon celebrations), or a revitalised Venus could challenge Serena. Some say Sharapova could challenge - but Sharapova was clobbered by Serena at Stanford and I really cannot see Sharapova putting up a genuine challenge again against Serena, Kim, Petra, etc, with her well documented shoulder problems. Her serve is nothing like what it was. Wozniacki - forget it!

Hence, once Serena, Kim, Venus have all gone within a couple of years, the WTA tour could well face something of a slump in popularity and investment. The hope has to be that 3-4 players come along in the next few years before Serena, Kim, and Venus retire, otherwise that will leave Kvitova as the only world class player.

So what is wrong with the WTA tour - or is nothing wrong?

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Nothing is wrong with the tour, but yeah there is for sure less good players these days... But it's just the way it is. They are still working hard and doing their best and competing with the best of the world. The tour is the tour.

Serena and Kim are not just any players who decided to make comebacks. They are both part of the highest elite of female players, so it's not surprising they can immediately score big wins. Kim Clijsters was superfit in her return and Serena is very fit as well.

For a player ranked 100-200 to have a long break of tennis and then try to return and regain the position, well, that could be another story...


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We are currently witnessing the astonishing sight of legend Serena Williams demolishing all opposition just 2 months in after coming back from a whole year away from the tour and a life threatening condition. Just two years ago, another legend, Kim Clijsters, won the US Open just a couple of months after returning to the tour after 3 years away. What does all this say about the current state of the WTA tour? What this tells me is that we probably have one of the poorest quality top 10's since Billie Jean King founded the WTA in 1973. In fact, personally I cannot think of a worst top 10 than the one we have at the moment. I fear for the future of the tour and something needs to be done to turn this situation around and bring forth a new generation of stars. In fact, in my view the only world class player to emerge over the last 5 years is Petra Kvitova and presently, only a fit again Kim Clijsters, Petra Kvitova (once she has got over her post Wimbledon celebrations), or a revitalised Venus could challenge Serena. Some say Sharapova could challenge - but Sharapova was clobbered by Serena at Stanford and I really cannot see Sharapova putting up a genuine challenge again against Serena, Kim, Petra, etc, with her well documented shoulder problems. Her serve is nothing like what it was. Wozniacki - forget it!

Hence, once Serena, Kim, Venus have all gone within a couple of years, the WTA tour could well face something of a slump in popularity and investment. The hope has to be that 3-4 players come along in the next few years before Serena, Kim, and Venus retire, otherwise that will leave Kvitova as the only world class player.

So what is wrong with the WTA tour - or is nothing wrong?


There is nothing wrong with the WTA. There was no hew and cry

about the WTA when in '02 Serena came out and dominated everyone

including multi-slam winners like Hingis, Davenport, Jcap, etal.

Nothing said when after 8 months off with knee surgury Serena

came back and won Miami in '04, In '07 Serena won the AO in

stunning fashion after taking most of '06 off with issues. Serena

does what Serena does. She has been doing it for over a decade.

So this is not an indictment against the WTA. It is a continuing

epic of an extraordinary Woman who does Extraordinary things.



No one has been able to stop her in 12 years. It seems father time

is the only one who can do that. And so far, She's doing a pretty

good job against him too.
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Generation Suck isnt given that nickname for nothing. That sums it up.
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Serena is just a phenomenon.
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A combination of #2, #3 and #4 leads to #1.
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When a woman dominate, there's no depth and the Tour sucks.
When it's pure parity, the Tour still sucks.

When the entire ATP relies on only three players, it's a golden era.

It doesn't make any sense. How can someone with a 52-1 record can be exciting for a Tour?
And journalists are talking about how much the ATP is deep. Bullshit.

You take out Nadal and Federer and the WTA suddenly doesn't look so bad anymore.

Plus, Sharapova injuried her shoulder in Montreal but kept on going and was out for months.
Yet poor Novak was retiring left and right and Nadal always has an injury to either use as an excuse or to show how much he's a warrior. Way to go, boys.

The double-standard is unbelievable. Maria would never win a sportmanship award so why in the world did Nadal won one last year? Great champion, yes, great sportsman, hell no. I guess it's acceptable to grunt and take forever between points, take momentum time-outs, etc on the ATP.
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Re: What is wrong with the WTA tour - or is nothing wrong?

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We are currently witnessing the astonishing sight of legend Serena Williams demolishing all opposition just 2 months in after coming back from a whole year away from the tour and a life threatening condition. Just two years ago, another legend, Kim Clijsters, won the US Open just a couple of months after returning to the tour after 3 years away. What does all this say about the current state of the WTA tour? What this tells me is that we probably have one of the poorest quality top 10's since Billie Jean King founded the WTA in 1973. In fact, personally I cannot think of a worst top 10 than the one we have at the moment. I fear for the future of the tour and something needs to be done to turn this situation around and bring forth a new generation of stars. In fact, in my view the only world class player to emerge over the last 5 years is Petra Kvitova and presently, only a fit again Kim Clijsters, Petra Kvitova (once she has got over her post Wimbledon celebrations), or a revitalised Venus could challenge Serena. Some say Sharapova could challenge - but Sharapova was clobbered by Serena at Stanford and I really cannot see Sharapova putting up a genuine challenge again against Serena, Kim, Petra, etc, with her well documented shoulder problems. Her serve is nothing like what it was. Wozniacki - forget it!

Hence, once Serena, Kim, Venus have all gone within a couple of years, the WTA tour could well face something of a slump in popularity and investment. The hope has to be that 3-4 players come along in the next few years before Serena, Kim, and Venus retire, otherwise that will leave Kvitova as the only world class player.

So what is wrong with the WTA tour - or is nothing wrong?
I totally agree. If Serena, Kim and Venus didn't comeback the tour level would have been the lowest in history!

But I'm not sure about what you said about Sharapova. She still struggles with her serve cause she had to change it after her shoulder injury. She's one of the best players right now but still looked pretty bad sometimes against Serena or Kvitova.
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There's nothing all that wrong, really.

Every generation (an inapposite use of term, perhaps, because generations of players overlap and at any one time there are several generations)... so let me start again.

Every few generations (roughly the span of 10 years), a superb tennis talent or two or three will emerge to dominate tennis. In the 60s we had Court, and King as the main acts. When they started to fade in the 70s, Evert picked up where they left off and was overtaken by Navratilova in the 80s. Together this duumvirate ruled the roost till the late 80s when Graf took over. Seles seemed set to perpetuate this Power of Two trend until her stabbing happened, and Graf was left unfettered as Queen of Tennis till injuries took her out.

This is when things became interesting. The removal of both Seles and Graf allowed a quick-maturing but still young Hingis to take over (and this perhaps stunted the growth of Hingis as a player). We had the Williams sisters and Henin usurp Hingis for a while before injuries and retirement took them out too.

So in conclusion, tennis uber-greats only appear a couple of times every decade. Just as the mid 70s-80s were Evert/Navratilova, I believe the late 80s-90s were supposed to be Graf/Seles and the 00s supposed to be Serena/Henin. But Seles's stabbing left a hole in the game when Graf got older and injured allowing other lesser greats to slip through in the 90s (Hingis, Davenport, even Venus). By then, it was clear that the increasingly physical nature of the game, and the distractions of the modern post-whatever age was making it harder for tennis celebrities to focus 100% on their tennis careers. The lull left by Henin's retirement and Serena's injury has allowed lesser great Kim to slip through (just as Hingis, Davenport did) before the maturation of the uber-greats of the next generation (and many think Kvitova fits that bill).

That being said, this generation does suck comparatively. At least back in the day we had some young'uns, a Capriati or a Sharapova, or some veterans aging like vintage wine, a Novotna or a Mauresmo, to keep things interesting, even if they were never going to dominate. Now there's no one even in that caliber.

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We are currently witnessing the astonishing sight of legend Serena Williams demolishing all opposition just 2 months in after coming back from a whole year away from the tour and a life threatening condition. Just two years ago, another legend, Kim Clijsters, won the US Open just a couple of months after returning to the tour after 3 years away.
That's rubbish. Did you watch tennis around 1993-1996?

Monica Seles came back from being off the tour for two and half years and she wins 3 out of the 4 tournaments she enters including winning a slam and reaching a slam final including a bagel against Graf in that final.

Seles was out of shape and mentally and physically a lot worse a player than she left.

Kim Clijsters "retired" to retool her game. She came back a BETTER player than she left. Even if not physically, mentally she was a far stronger player. She's 3-0 in slam finals since her comeback but before she was a mental midget losing 4 out of the 5 finals she reached.

Serena Williams. Yes, she's been through a lot. But there's nothing to suggest to that she's a worse player than when she left the tour. If you think she got worse in any way, please tell me. Her technical game is still there, she's not fat or out of shape and if anything she's HUNGRIER than ever before.

So please, the reason why these women are winning is because their games got better in some way or other. Not because the tour is crap - even though I do agree that there are no stars aside from these.

But in Seles's case, her game got worse in EVERY way and she still beat her competition. What does that tell you about the tour in 93-96?

The worst period in women's tennis history. You bet. That was the time when Sports Illustrated infamously asked if Tennis is dead.

So please, some of us have seen FAR worse times than these.




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Sorry "is tennis dying?" 1994. The year Steffi Graf completed her meaningless Steffi slam and when a 37(!)-year-old Martina Navratilova reaches another Wimbledon final against that grass court Queen Conchita Martinez whilst the opportunist ASV sweeps up what's left and the No. 1 ranking.




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There is nothing wrong. The new generation of Woz, Vika, Jarka, Aga and Petra just suck balls and are still inexperienced to achieve big things on the tour. Zvonareva really should have stepped up and dominated the tour, but apparently she still can't get the Aga and Pironkova monkies off her back

With the addition of more experienced players in the form of Sharapova, Li and Serena in god mode, there is no wonder that the youngsters are getting thrashed left and right and failing to take the titles. I'm sure we all anticipated that this was going to happen even before Serena returned to competitive play so there is really nothing to get worked up about.

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Nothing is wrong with the tour, but yeah there is for sure less good players these days... But it's just the way it is. They are still working hard and doing their best and competing with the best of the world. The tour is the tour.

Serena and Kim are not just any players who decided to make comebacks. They are both part of the highest elite of female players, so it's not surprising they can immediately score big wins. Kim Clijsters was superfit in her return and Serena is very fit as well.

For a player ranked 100-200 to have a long break of tennis and then try to return and regain the position, well, that could be another story...
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