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Post Lindsay's match-points

So what really happened at those 7 match-points Lindsay had ?

1. Monica serving. Good wide serve which Lindsay can't reach.

2. Lindsay puts a relatively easy backhand passing shot into the net.

3. Lindsay with an unforced forehand error.

4. Lindsay with 2nd serve, she is too short and Monica makes a winner.

5. Monica with a decent first serve, Lindsay puts backhand-return into the net.

6. Monica with 2nd serve, Lindsay doesn't step in, Monica dominates and forces the error.

7. Lindsay with foot-fault because of stepping beyond the middle mark (!!!), 2nd serve is bad and is punished by Monica.

Also remarkable is Monica's setpoint, when Lindsay puts the easiest forehand-volley into the net.

Monica won the last 12 points of the match. 6 of the last 7 points were unforced errors of the worst kind by Lindsay, who rushed in the last 2 games and didn't seem to care anymore.

Summary: Everything Monica did right, Lindsay did wrong. In crucial situations, Monica took risks; Lindsay pulled a 'Martina' and played it safe, instead of going for a winner at least once. When Monica was down hopelessly, she fought, when Lindsay was down, she gave up.

And if you make such an error on match-point, a foot-fault not even beginners would make, then you really don't deserve to be part of the tournament any longer.
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When you have only one match point, I can see why you want to play it safe, but when you're 6-2 ahead in the tie break and have 4 match points in a row you should go for the winner.

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This is heartbreaking for Lindsay. I've lost my faith in her Honestly, I wouldn't be surprised if she decided to retire next year...
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It's amazing that Monica's 3 wins over Lindsay Davenport have been exactly the same.

1996 Sydney 4-6, 7-6, 6-3 (saved 1 match point in the 2nd set)

1997 Los Angeles 5-7, 7-5, 6-4 (saved 1 match point in the 2nd set)

2002 Championships 3-6, 7-6, 6-3 (saved 7 match points in the 2nd set)

WOW, what a fighter!
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Re: Lindsay's match-points

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Summary: Everything Monica did right, Lindsay did wrong. In crucial situations, Monica took risks; Lindsay pulled a 'Martina' and played it safe, instead of going for a winner at least once. When Monica was down hopelessly, she fought, when Lindsay was down, she gave up.

And if you make such an error on match-point, a foot-fault not even beginners would make, then you really don't deserve to be part of the tournament any longer.

I guess I think this is unnecessarily harsh. I think Lindsay fans would take offense, as would Martina fans to your reference of "pulled a Martina"!

Lindsay is a great champion and player. Yes, she does get down when she starts losing points, but I wouldn't be so mean spirited about it. it was a hard fought match on both sides. For Lindsay to even get 7 match points means she was clearly playing well at times during the match.
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Lindsay just realized that the higher ranked player whenever they meet always wins.

it took her about 2 hours to figure it out

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I'm really surprised about this win because this is Monica's first match in a long time, for her to comeback from injury and show this kind of play & fight is amazing. Lindsay has been playing very well lately and has reached many finals, I would have thought she would easily win against a "rusty" Monica. But Monica showed everyone why she's the ultimate fighter!
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Do you have any idea how tough mentally it is to play a third set when you have blown a few match points in the previous set!!!

Dont criticise Lindsay's performance in the third set. It can be a very emotionally draining experience to lose a 2nd set like that. It would have been in the back of her mind the whole third set.

You can say, they are professionals and should be well equipped to dealing with those situations, but these situations are quite rare in occurrence that their is no mental training they can do for this.

I think Lindsay would be shattered to have lost, but she is still comin back from injury and hasnt had a match like this in a few years. Give her a go, she will know for next time at 6-2 in a tiebreak to not hold back
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post #9 of 43 (permalink) Old Nov 7th, 2002, 01:15 PM
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Have you ever played tennis yourself? This is part of the game, struggling sometimes to close out matches.
It's the mark of being on the very top that you can do that.
It's something that Monica has struggled to do for years -- winning the first set and a break in crucial matches against Capriati, Pierce, Hingis, etc and then losing.
Lindsay is not going to retire because of this. She's done amazingly well this year given that she had gone so long without playing.
She'll be back in the top 5 by the clay court season is my prediction.

And Monica is remarkably good at coming back, some players are, everyone knows this about her.
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post #10 of 43 (permalink) Old Nov 7th, 2002, 01:17 PM
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I personally don't think that Lindsay should worry. She had a very good comeback and great results!! Let us not forget that even if she had 7 match points, she was playing against most likely the greatest fighter that the game has ever seen: Monica Seles. It's not as if Lindsay couldn't close out the match against a nobody. Monica has made such comebacks about a million times in her career including Serena, Venus, Hingis, Navratilova, Graf, Capriati, etc! Linsday wasnt' an exception.
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must be heartbreaking for Lindsay
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post #12 of 43 (permalink) Old Nov 7th, 2002, 01:29 PM
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Oh please, she's beaten Monica the last 9 times before this match, yeah Lindsay must be devastated. It would have been more heartbreaking if Monica lost. Monica shouldn't lose to anyone 10 times in a row, that would have been an insult to tennis history. (although I think in the Evert/Navratilova rivarly, they might have beaten each others 10 times in a row or more). But still NOBODY beats Monica 10 times in a row, and that's a FACT

Anyways it's great to see Monica beating Martina, Lindsay, Venus and Serena in the last 15 months! Hopefully she can start changing the head-to-heads. In my opinion Hingis will be a much easier opponent for Monica from now on, she seems to has gotten over the mental block against her.
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There was no "mental block" when seles played martina she just got outplayed.

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yeah, outplayed when Hingis hits 40 mph second serves and Monica hits the returns at the bottom of the net or 10 feet long. She had a mental block, that's a fact. Anyways I'm not saying that Hingis isn't a great player, I'm just saying that Monica has the weapons to beat her and she has finally shown in the last 2 years how to "control her nerves" and not mentally collapse. I expect Monica to win most of the matches against Hingis from now on, like I said she doesn't have a mental block against her anymore.
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As a Lindsay's fan, it's sad and devastated to see she lost to any player at any round at any tournament.

It's hurt inside to see Monica's fan congrats to thier player while wishing it should be me who celebrats for Lindsay. But thing get worse when saw some harsh messages from mean people.

It's a game, there are winner and loser. Though she lost 7 match points and the match to Monica, I believe she didn't play too bad instead it showed the quality of the match. Monica was the stronger the last match.

Thank for those who understand us, Lindsay's fans, and thank for showing your sympathy.

And for those who saids she should retire, wake up and be real!!

If you are a true fan you will never loose you faith of your player(s). So, we, Lindsay's fans start looking forward for Lindsay's next season already


BTW, Well done Monica!!!


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