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If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

If she lost that final, but the rest of her career remained the same (#1, bad slump after the final), would she have had the same backlash Wozniacki is having?
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Re: If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

Maybe she wouldn't have slumped so precipitously. Doesn't matter, though, she'll always have that slam and her endorsements to comfort her.
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Re: If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

The only reason she won a major and held no1 ranking was henin's retirement
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Re: If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

Worse, because look at Safina. Nearly completely identical: First slam final at RG, under perform as the surprise finalist; second slam final at AO, lose to another slam champ, and choke in two different ways (Ana had chances in the first set; Safina just choked in the moment again and faced SlamFinalRena); third slam final at Roland Garros as the heavy favorite, and then choke it away (didn't happen to Ana, Safina wasn't the same) and have one stand out slam run since (Ana still pending, Safina = Wimbledon 2009 SF) and then fall off the face of the earth.

Ana would probably get it worse because 2007-2008 was really the window of opportunity because Serena was just getting over the quarterfinal slump and by 2008, Justine was done, Maria had shoulder problems, and Venus was terrible on clay and had just lost to Ivanovic in Melbourne. Had she not won a major then, she never would get one.

That being said, 3rd time was the charm for her (fortunately) and the pivotal tournament was really, IMO, Wimbledon 2008. Had she managed to escape Zheng, she could have beaten Szavay on grass and at least made the quarters where, against Nicole, anything could have happened. She could have been facing Serena in the semifinal and her confidence would probably have not suffered such a dip had she lost then.

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The only reason she won a major and held no1 ranking was henin's retirement
Then how do you explain the fact that Sharapova, Jankovic, and Kuznetsova could have taken it from Ana in that same tournament, and could have taken it from her at Wimbledon?

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Re: If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

Even more

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The only reason she won a major and held no1 ranking was henin's retirement
Not really. If she didn't choke in 2007, she would have had a chance at beating Henin in the final.

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Not really. If she didn't choke in 2007, she would have had a chance at beating Henin in the final.
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Not really. If she didn't choke in 2007, she would have had a chance at beating Henin in the final.
Now...if Sharapova playing the match of her life against Justine in the Masters' final couldn't beat 2007-tine on arguably a poorer surface for her, what in God's name makes you think that 2007 Ana could beat 2007 Justine on CLAY!??????

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Ana would probably get it worse because 2007-2008 was really the window of opportunity because Serena was just getting over the quarterfinal slump and by 2008, Justine was done, Maria had shoulder problems, and Venus was terrible on clay and had just lost to Ivanovic in Melbourne. Had she not won a major then, she never would get one.

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Sharapova was no match for prime Baby Anci as proven by 2007's annihilation.Neither was Serena of course who couldn't even get past Penetta.Prime Baby Anci was by far the best clay court player after Henin and her RG was only a logical result.
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Re: If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

If that had happened, she would have been criticized much more than Wozniacki. She would have been seen the way people currently see Safina, and Safina would have been seen the way people currently see Ivanovic (well... minus the hotness of course.)

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Sharapova was no match for prime Baby Anci as proven by 2007's annihilation.Neither was Serena of course who couldn't even get past Penetta.Prime Baby Anci was by far the best clay court player after Henin and her RG was only a logical result.
Exactly. Ivanovic only lost three games to Sharapova at Roland Garros. Also, if you watch the replay, she choked after winning the first game and three points. But before the choke, She was hitting Juju off the court and had the match in her hands.

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Sharapova was no match for prime Baby Anci as proven by 2007's annihilation.Neither was Serena of course who couldn't even get past Penetta.Prime Baby Anci was by far the best clay court player after Henin and her RG was only a logical result.
Serena lost to K. Srebotnik, but yes. That explains 2 opponents, but Kuznetsova played Ana tough in Berlin back in 2007 and at Roland Garros' middle set of their quarterfinal, and Jelena really could have taken that semifinal back in 2008 had she kept her head. It was a tie between the Serbs for who was best after Justine on clay back in 2007-2008, because Jelena was a 2 time Rome champion, back to back, 2 time Roland Garros semifinalist, and also played well in Berlin with 2 semifinals back to back, and captured Charleston and made the finals of Warsaw. She's only lost to Dementieva, Kuznetsova, Henin, and Ivanovic on clay at that point. Ana had lost to Dementieva, Henin, Pironkova (?????), Golovin. It was in the realm of possibility that Ana could have just lost the title.

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Re: If Ivanovic lost that 08 RG Final would she have the same backlash Wozniacki has?

Not at all.

Wozniacki gets all that shit cause she was never against the very top players at their peak. It is true that it is not her fault that they dropped their level at the same time she raised hers.Unlike Ivanovic, Jankovic and Safina she hasn't had some real quality wins.
She is too defensive but she get all that defence to a completely new level as well so comparisons with other defenders in terms of rankings can hardly be made.

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Exactly. Ivanovic only lost three games to Sharapova at Roland Garros. Also, if you watch the replay, she choked after winning the first game and three points. But before the choke, She was hitting Juju off the court and had the match in her hands.

Baby Anci. For almost 2 games she had the match in her hands

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