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The HOF waiting list

A realistic assessment of future Hall of Famers:

Tier 1: Shoo-in's

Serena Williams
Venus Williams
Justine Henin
Martina Hingis
Kim Clijsters
Lindsay Davenport
Jennifer capriati
Maria Sharapova
Amelie Mauresmo

All were No. 1 and multiple slam winners. All made minimum of 3 slam finals (Mauresmo). Venus, Henin, Davenport, and Capriati were Olympic gold medalists in singles. (Serene+Venus gold in doubles, Mauresmo silver in singles.) Serena+Venus multiple slam doubles winners and doubles No. 1. Davenport doubles No. 1 as well.

Tier 2: Very likely in's

Mary Pierce
Svetlana Kuznezova

They didn't make No. 1 but won 2 slams and made multiple appearances at slam finals (Pierce 5, Kuznezva 4). One can even argue that they are more accomplished than Mauresmo.

Tier 3: Hopefuls

Ana Ivanovic
Anastasia Myskina
Na Li
Francesca Schiavoni
(Petra Kvitova)

They each won only 1 slam but there are compelling reasons to let them in. Ana was No. 1 and made 3 slam finals. Myskina and Li were "pioneers" who paved the way for the Russian (and future chinese) booms. Schiavoni because there hasn't been an Italian in a long time (if ever). Moreover, she made 2 slam finals and her fighting spirit reminds the good old Michael Chang, who was in with 1 slam.

I put Kvitova in parenthesis because her career has just begun, but I believe she will achieve a lot more and make it.

Tier 4: The rejects

Dinara Safina
Jelena Jankovic
(Caroline Wozniacki)

They were (are) No. 1 but they are also the reason that No. 1 ranking is no longer respected. There will be more unworthy No. 1 to come and they will further dilute the value of it. None of them will make it to the HOF unless they win slams. I put Wozniacki in parenthesis because she is still young, but I kind of don't believe she can pull it off anymore.
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You forgot Iva Majoli on the hopefuls list.

I am not a fan of the direction a lot of Maria threads have taken over the last 12 months.

The undertone is very disappointing, aggressive and the comments are sometimes rude to a player just trying to earn a living, playing her hardest and having a good amount of success given her god given, natural talents.
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dilute the value of it.
There's the problem. The bar for the HoF is so, ANYBODY who gets the #1 ranking should get in. Why? Why is Yannick Noah in? LOVED his tennis. But is that truly that bar?

Want a REAL Hall of Fame? Start with this. Should Martina Hings be in? She was the FOURTH best player of her generation. Include doubles, and she rises to .... THIRD best.

IMHO, the gatekeeper player for being in the HoF, at least post 1987, should be.... Venus Williams.

If you had a career that was more or less comparable to Venus', you're in. So NO to Conchi, ASV, Davenport, Capriati, Hingis, Sharapova, Pierce, Kuznetsova, Yes to Henin,Sererna,Goolagong ......

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I honestly believe Kournikova deserves it for her amazing doubles career and the attention she brought to the WTA. Pretty great singles career for a 21-year-old retiree as well.

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i still say Elena Dementieva should be in HOF
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i think Dinara Safina Jelena Jankovic still gotta chance at RG that one slam like said many time is always wide open and them two is great on clay
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Why on earth should Venus be the gatekeeper?
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If Ana can somehow turn her career around, start posting good results consistently again and win another slam, she could get in, but that's a lot of IF's. But she is still 23 so she has time.

Dementieva should be considered.

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If Ana can somehow turn her career around, start posting good results consistently again and win another slam, she could get in, but that's a lot of IF's. But she is still 23 so she has time.
i think she get in with one slam really
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So NO to Conchi, ASV, Davenport, Capriati, Hingis, Sharapova, Pierce, Kuznetsova
Totally disagree. These women all deserve to get in for various reasons. I think we as tennis fans often forget how HARD it is to win a slam and/or become number one.

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Wozniacki will definitely get in one way or another. First of all, statistically speaking, she's likely to win multiple slams in her career because no one who's reached #1 so quickly has ever not won multiple slams, no one who's ever spent as much time as her at #1 has ever not won multiple slams and, as far as I know, no one who's ever won as many titles as her by her age has ever not won multiple slams. But even if she doesn't win a single slam, I think there would likely be a very good argument for her just based on the number of weeks she'll likely have spent at #1 by the end of her career and the number of titles she's likely to have won. I mean, she's only 20 years old and she's already in the Top 10 of all time in terms of weeks at #1. She's already ahead of people like Venus, Clijsters, Sharapova, Capriati and Sanchez Vicario. And she already has more titles than Capriati, Kuznetsova, Ivanovic, Li and Schiavone (and also Kvitova, but she's just starting out). At the rate she's going she could very well end her career with 50 titles and more than 100 weeks at #1. So even if she somehow fails to win a slam, that would still be a pretty damn impressive career.

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each year we get 4 new slam winners
each year we get one new HoF.
yes, this whole organiziation is BS, but even so - i reckon that anywhere less than 5 slams shouldn't even be looked at.
no one to introduce in every year? well - for every year with no top player to show, another ceremony can be held for players with outstanding personality or impact on the game that weren't as succesful.
Kim was great for the sport, sharapova was a recognizable face and date is a sign of age not stopping anything etc.
you can't just put any player in, or the list turn pointless.

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You forgot Iva Majoli on the hopefuls list.
Ah, I forgot Majoli. She should belong to near the bottom of the "hopefuls" but I feel that she will not get in.

Regarding one slam wonders, some said Yanick Noah doesn't deserve it but people do remember him fondly as time goes by. On the other hand, Majoli is just fading.
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There's the problem. The bar for the HoF is so, ANYBODY who gets the #1 ranking should get in. Why? Why is Yannick Noah in? LOVED his tennis. But is that truly that bar?

Want a REAL Hall of Fame? Start with this. Should Martina Hings be in? She was the FOURTH best player of her generation. Include doubles, and she rises to .... THIRD best.

IMHO, the gatekeeper player for being in the HoF, at least post 1987, should be.... Venus Williams.

If you had a career that was more or less comparable to Venus', you're in. So NO to Conchi, ASV, Davenport, Capriati, Hingis, Sharapova, Pierce, Kuznetsova, Yes to Henin,Sererna,Goolagong ......
Not sure about that. I can see why Mary, Sveta, and Momo are questionable, but Hingis, Aranxta, Maria, Jen, Kim, and Linds are all far too important in the history of the game for various reasons as well as being former #1's and multiple slam winners.

I think 1 time slam winners should not be included.

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