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post #1 of 28 (permalink) Old Jul 6th, 2011, 07:50 PM Thread Starter
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Question Doe the WTA tour need a "masters" series?

Watching the WTA and ATP tours this year, I was struck by the lack of rivalries at the top of the women's game. There was a bit of a contest at the start of the year for the #1 ranking between Wozniacki and Clijsters but it took place without them playing each other.

Over the last 12 months:
Matches between two top 4 players on ATP tour - 30
Matches between two top 4 players on WTA tour - 7

ATP #1 Novak Djokovic has played 18 matches against a top 4 opponent in that time, WTA #1 Caroline Wozniaki has played only 4.

Wozniacki has won 10 tournaments over the past year but only beaten a top 4 opponent in one of them. Djokovic has won 9 tournaments, beating top 4 opponents in 7 of them and two top 4 opponents twice.

Part of this is obviously down to the presence of four extremely good players on the ATP tour but I can't help feeling that the structure of the two tours plays a part.

Perhaps the WTA should create something akin to the ATP Masters series, comprised of the current Premier Mandatory and Premier 5 tournaments. The ranking could be taken from their best 8 results from these 9 events, the 4 slams, and their best 5 other results (including Tour Finals if they qualify). I can see 3 advantages:

1. Top players would play each other more often.
2. The rankings would more accurately reflect how players perform against the best opposition.
3. The WTA tour would have a series of marquee tournaments for fans to focus their attention on.
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YAY! And lets call it the Mistress Series and Madame Laura Robson can be the head mistress
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They need a clearer system for casual fans. Everboy knows it is Slams, Masters and then the rest on the ATP Tour events. That is simple. WTA has Premier Mandatories, Premier 5, Premier events. If you called them gold, silver and bronze events every child would know the order and importance.

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The whole idea of the roadmap was to get the best players in the same tournaments.
Its happening. But there is a lot of depth.
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I think they should at least change the names. I liked the "Tier" naming system more. It made those tournies sound more important. Maybe then Serena would give a shit about non-slam events


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The Masters and PremierM and Premier5 tournaments are essentially the same. It's the commitment of the top players that is a problem. Somehow the top 4 men are all able to play 18-22 tournaments a year, playing high quality tennis and avoiding injury. If the WS/Kim/whoever else don't care about playing Indian Wells or Rome and Madrid when they're called Premier Mandatory, they won't care when it's called a Masters tournament.

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I always wonder why they have a big 4 in the mens. Its clearly a big 3.


Anyways, Id be in favour of it. The Masters in the men seem to carry more signifigance than the Premier Mandatorys than the women for whatever reason... Maybe because, as Patrick said, there is a clear difference in the different levels of tournaments in the ATP.

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Do like the men:

250 - Internationals

500 - Premiers

1000 - Premier 5's and Premier Mandatories
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I always wonder why they have a big 4 in the mens. Its clearly a big 3.
It's clearly big three. What has Federer done this year that Murray hasn't? Both have slam finals, both have slam semi-finals (Andy has one more semi-final than Federer). Andy had a better clay season and grass season than Federer too. So, why should Federer be part of the big three and not Murray? At this current moment in time, there are the top four, then there are Ferrer and Soderling and then there is the rest.

As for the men's tour, they have it simpler than the women's tour. The women should have 250, 500, masters and slams. That way, it is easier and more simpler, like the men's tour. Easy and simple.
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whatever name do you call them
Master Series = Premier Mandatory + Premier 5

its not WTA's fault such players do not even care or injured.

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The Masters and PremierM and Premier5 tournaments are essentially the same. It's the commitment of the top players that is a problem. Somehow the top 4 men are all able to play 18-22 tournaments a year, playing high quality tennis and avoiding injury. If the WS/Kim/whoever else don't care about playing Indian Wells or Rome and Madrid when they're called Premier Mandatory, they won't care when it's called a Masters tournament.
One significant difference. 8 of the 9 Masters events must count towards a player's ranking. Only 2 of the 5 Premier 5 events have to count, allowing players to pick and choose their best results. With less margin for error, the Masters events take on a greater significance as every tournament counts.

When the Roadmap was unveiled it was widely interpreted as a stepping stone towards a Masters like structure. They might as well go the whole hog. As it is, it's neither one thing nor the other.
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whatever name do you call them
Master Series = Premier Mandatory + Premier 5

its not WTA's fault such players do not even care or injured.
Kind of ironic that you guys bemoan the fact that the WTA top players "don't care" and yet the only top player who very much does care get's ridiculed nonstop for it.

You can't have it both ways...
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They need a clearer system for casual fans. Everboy knows it is Slams, Masters and then the rest on the ATP Tour events. That is simple. WTA has Premier Mandatories, Premier 5, Premier events. If you called them gold, silver and bronze events every child would know the order and importance.
Or they could just bring back the easy to understand tier I II III and IV

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Kind of ironic that you guys bemoan the fact that the WTA top players "don't care" and yet the only top player who very much does care get's ridiculed nonstop for it.

You can't have it both ways...
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