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Red face Is Sharapova's shoulder still an issue or she only sucks, and has passed her peak???

According to some Mashastans (chµck, madmax, and others), Maria's shoulder is not an issue "resolved" as it sill bothers her to serve, for instance in Wimbledon final.

What do you think?

I will give you some statistics (from the most recent Slam and her favourite/best one) and pros/cons :

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In Wimbledon :
Masha hit 24 aces, she is at #4 (but she played 7 matchs so ~3.43 aces per match... not a lot for a former great server ). Lisicki is first, then Serena and Kvitty-GOAT (who hit 36 aces, it may have been an important factor in that final).

BUT !!!!! Masha is leading the Doublefaults rankings with 38 dfs uch: it means ~5.43 per match, so a differential of -2... Kinda bad especially that we know she hit some dfs on big points.

Now let's see the serve speed...She is even with the likes of Pironkova, Gajdosova, Rybarikova, Kvitty-GOAT (even Ivanovic is ahead them but it means Baby Anci is clueless even at serve, if she didn't score a single point on her serve in that tie-break) with 113 mph (181 km/h, not bad at all ).

On her first serve : 71% of first point won (on Wimbledon overall, of course) for Maria !!! (weird to notice that Patricia Mayr is leading with 90% !!! but who cares, she only played a match)
About her second serve (points won) : she is not even in the top 20 (while Kvitty-GOAT is #6, must be the most deciding factor in the Wimbledon final), so less than 54%.

Now let's study her ROS game...

She won 115 first serve return points in 7 matchs, she is #2, behind Kvitova (128 points). She won 103 points off serve return (only behind Marion who won 114 points ).
She won 33 break points, even with Kvitty-GOAT.

So, she is better on ROS than on serve. No shit Sherlock. But even her serve is good, I should remind you she didn't lose a single set till the final where she lost in straights. So she was not THAT bad. Or maybe her opponents (Chakvetadze, Robson, Zakopalova, Peng, Cibulkova-GRASS GOAT, Lisicki) were really bad. Feel free to choose.

Pros/cons :

She was injured from summer 2008 till clay season 2009 (she played doubles in Indian Wells, with Vesnina, right? they both lost in 1R if I am not wrong). She played a good season, reaching quarters of RG, her so-called worst Slam. How to explain this? Was she mentally fresh to fight every match and her own serve ? Afterwards, she got worse (2nd round exit in Wimbly 09, 3r at the USO, 1r at the AO where she hit like 20 dfs and 70 ues , 3r in RG but she played RG-GOAT Juju Heng, 4r in Wimbly and USO '10...).

But it seems she woke up this year : 4r in the AO (Fourthroundpova ), 1/2 in RG (Semipova back !), final in Wimbledon....

Pros :
- The kind of injury she got was very severe, a lot of athletes were never the same after that shoulder injury (I don't remember his name, but a baseball player had that injury, ask Lizchris, she talked about him). She had to change her whole serve-and-ROS game, knowing that Greatpova was a serve monster (summer-fall 2006 uch: She was scaring), who built her whole game around her serve. If her serve collapses, her game collapses as well.

- She is still afraid to get injured again, so she is safer with her shoulder so at the serve. Therefore, she can't serve like before, because she is too afraid.

- She has tried to have a plan B, especially on second serve. I remember that one day, she shortened her serve motion, but she hit as much dfs as she used to with her old serve motion.

Cons :

- It was three years ago it happened. Enough time to find a plan B.

- It is not because of her injury, that's because she can't cope well with outdoors conditions : the wind, the sun...

- She has a much better ROS game, so it should compensate the lack of serve points won.
And she should change her second serve, because she doesn't bring variations nor different speed on second serve.

- It is a mental issue, she is not as a fighter as she was before, so she loses more matchs.

- You are a Williams fans (bandabou, Butterfrena, do you hear me?) or Caralenko, you are tired to hear Mashastans' excuses, and you think she has passed her peak and will never win a Slam again.

Hope it helps.

Personally, I think she is too stubborn with her second serve, she keeps hitting it like it is a first serve. Has she taken serve classes with Dementieva? But she is doing good, she can win another Slam, she needs to stop spraying UEs all over the court if her serve is AWOL, she needs to have the confidence to keep in mind that her serve sucks but she can control her game. It seems she lacks of confidence. When she is confident, she can play great, no hitting DFs, and stuff... I have noticed that most of her DFs happened in tight matchs.



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Did you see that final? Mirnyi was absolutely useless, paralyzed by nerves and he kept feeding Bryan easy volleys with his BH return. Robson played a very good first set but became equally useless after that. So basically it was Murray vs Azarenka, and Vika won believe it or not.

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Re: Is Maria Sharapova's shoulder still an issue ?

Oh debby. There was a thread about that less than a week ago.

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Re: Is Maria Sharapova's shoulder still an issue ?

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Oh debby. There was a thread about that less than a week ago.
I didn't read any of this. But did they talk about WS and Caralenko? I bet they didn't.
and if you want, I can start a poll about GOATsters

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Did you see that final? Mirnyi was absolutely useless, paralyzed by nerves and he kept feeding Bryan easy volleys with his BH return. Robson played a very good first set but became equally useless after that. So basically it was Murray vs Azarenka, and Vika won believe it or not.
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I didn't read any of this. But did they talk about WS and Caralenko? I bet they didn't.
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No idea what they talked about. But the thread had the same title.
And I don't want any poll about Kim, she's losing them anyway, most people here think she's the devil now.

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No idea what they talked about. But the thread had the same title.
And I don't want any poll about Kim, she's losing them anyway, most people here think she's the devil now.
Oh thanks, I will edit it.
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Did you see that final? Mirnyi was absolutely useless, paralyzed by nerves and he kept feeding Bryan easy volleys with his BH return. Robson played a very good first set but became equally useless after that. So basically it was Murray vs Azarenka, and Vika won believe it or not.
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Ok I'll bite No but seriously I know we have an array of expert panelists here on TF that feel as though they can almost see through the eyes of players but I don't think anyone can sit and type if whether or not her shoulder surgery is an issue because the only person in the world that truly knows the answer is Maria herself.

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Everything else in Maria's game is coming together except the serve. If she doesn't figure out the serve she'll never win another slam.
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Ok I'll bite No but seriously I know we have an array of expert panelists here on TF that feel as though they can almost see through the eyes of players but I don't think anyone can sit and type if whether or not her shoulder surgery is an issue because the only person in the world that truly knows the answer is Maria herself.
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Did you see that final? Mirnyi was absolutely useless, paralyzed by nerves and he kept feeding Bryan easy volleys with his BH return. Robson played a very good first set but became equally useless after that. So basically it was Murray vs Azarenka, and Vika won believe it or not.
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Everything else in Maria's game is coming together except the serve. If she doesn't figure out the serve she'll never win another slam.
She reached a Slam final...
Dementieva, with her shitty serve, won Olympics Games that value a Slam, according to Miffedmax and Elena herself....
Henin had a shitty serve, even in her first career, but managed to win a bunch of titles including seven Slams.

Methinks she should be clutch on big points. Here is the point. How many GPs did she miss against Kvitova in the second set ?

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Did you see that final? Mirnyi was absolutely useless, paralyzed by nerves and he kept feeding Bryan easy volleys with his BH return. Robson played a very good first set but became equally useless after that. So basically it was Murray vs Azarenka, and Vika won believe it or not.
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Well, Maria doesn't mention it anymore
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was her serve a problem during the early rounds? didn't hear anything about her serving poorly. i guess she just overthinks her serve at times, losing focus, hence all the 'poor serving' issues.
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Debby! Moi a hater?

Maria's problem is that the game has become so big right now that you NEED to be able of winning free points off your serve. in the final, Maria was on the backfoot so often..because Petra was ALL over her serve. Too much pressure for her own ground game that way.

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Maria has said she has trouble to put spin on her second serves sometimes, maybe in important matches her shoulder gets tight

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Her shoulder probably will never fully recover. She needs to work around it.
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Debby! Moi a hater?

Maria's problem is that the game has become so big right now that you NEED to be able of winning free points off your serve. in the final, Maria was on the backfoot so often..because Petra was ALL over her serve. Too much pressure for her own ground game that way.

That's Masha's biggest weakness right now.

Her serve is a weakness because it gives the opponent free points. That first set was so key in the Wimbledon final, yet Maria hit two DF's to hand the deciding break.

And if I remember correctly, she it a couple in her service game after she broke to allow Petra to get back on even terms in the second.

I honestly believe Maria can get the serve in and start the point on neutral but mentally she doesn't want to accept that her serve will never be a weapon. I don't know what she's thinking? Too keep going for it and all of a sudden it'll click forever in her tennis career?

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