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Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

My own view is no, that there's rampant tanking in the later rounds so players can be well rested for the Slams (where of course there are no Byes). They could just have exo's on the same surface for those who want the match play (with money and points awarded) up thru lets say the Thursday of that week.

If there's persistent rain and they don't have enough covered courts, they could just cancel these and give the attendees their choice of a refund or some special seating consideration for that Slam, or ATP and WTA events closer to them.
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there should not be but there will be ... too much money at stake

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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

Before the Australian Open and Wimbledon, yes, because there's so little time to warm up for either Slam, and the top players usually do put in a full effort in Sydney and Eastbourne.

But there shouldn't be Premier events the week before Roland Garros or the US Open. Maybe an MM or two for scrubs who desperately need some form, but not Premiers. It's humiliating for the sport to see the world #1 slaving away at Brussels or New Haven days before a Slam, after she's already played lots in the preceding weeks.
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

Who's tanking? The matches Wozniacki played against Petrova & Dementieva at New Haven were marathons.
So were Wozniacki against Schiavone & Peng in Brussels.

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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

Yes , how could Dulgheru have 2 WTA titles if not

How could the Woz have Brussels and New Haven

How could Radwanska have a grass title
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

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Who's tanking? The matches Wozniacki played against Petrova & Dementieva at New Haven were marathons.
So were Wozniacki against Schiavone & Peng in Brussels.
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

As long as they are optional I don't see the problem. I don't think there should be any mandatory tournaments before slams though.
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

I think it's fine like this, of course no Mandatory events and maybe no premier event, but before Wimbledon, where you only have 2 weeks to get ready for the Grass and Premier even has to be on the 2nd week since it's too much points to give to players who aren't really that prepared on Grass. I also think they should put at least 2 events each week on grass and not silly Copenhagen indoor. The idea of putting exos is quite silly since there's not enough players that can play those and Exos don't give ranking points or else they wouldn't be exos. The best idea would be to put smaller draw-size tourney,and playing in in less days. Specially for the Grass court season since they are in tough weather areas that can delay lots of matches. But I think the scheduling of tourneys is fine like it is, maybe just adding one more small grass court tourney in the first week. Why not a joint tournment with Halle?

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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

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My own view is no, that there's rampant tanking in the later rounds so players can be well rested for the Slams (where of course there are no Byes). They could just have exo's on the same surface for those who want the match play (with money and points awarded) up thru lets say the Thursday of that week.

If there's persistent rain and they don't have enough covered courts, they could just cancel these and give the attendees their choice of a refund or some special seating consideration for that Slam, or ATP and WTA events closer to them.
Have you any proof? Or just a wild allegation with no evidence that would stand up in a court of law. Just because a top player loses doesn't mean they tanked.

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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

Just looking at New Haven results.
Wozniacki won 2009,10 and made the F, SF of the USO.
Sveta won in 2007 & made the USO F
Henin won in 2006 & made the USO F
Venus won both in 2000, 2001
Capriati won NH in 2003 & lost a close USO SF to Henin.

Seems like a good warmup

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Just looking at New Haven results.
Wozniacki won 2009,10 and made the F, SF of the USO.
Sveta won in 2007 & made the USO F
Henin won in 2006 & made the USO F
Venus won both in 2000, 2001
Capriati won NH in 2003 & lost a close USO SF to Henin.

Seems like a good warmup
Wozniacki could and should have beaten Zvonareva to get to the final of the USO last year, and I believe would have done had she not spent so much energy beating Dementieva and Petrova to win some nothing tournament, rather than saving up energy and getting adjusted to the conditions in New York by practising there.

Kuznetsova had an absolute cakewalk to get to the final in 2007 (it was the first example of one half of the draw at a Slam turning to crap), so I wouldn't read too much into that.

Henin had played no matches at all since Wimbledon before she played New Haven in '06 due to injury, so she was refreshed enough to still go on a good run in NY.

In short, no.
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

The last 5 years, 3 finalists and a SemiFinalist won NH.
You cant argue with that, because these NH fields arent great, but the USO results are great

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The last 5 years, 3 finalists and a SemiFinalist won NH.
You cant argue with that, because these NH fields arent great, but the USO results are great
LMAO, one can twist results any way you like to get any point you want to make

How about this...

Winners of the US Open:
2010: Clijsters - didn't play New Haven
2009: Clijsters - didn't play New Haven
2008: Serena - didn't play New Haven
2007: Henin - didn't play New Haven
2006: Sharapova - didn't play New Haven
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Seems like a good warmup

I'm pretty sure a similar example can be drawn for players who've won RG in terms of playing the week before.
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

There should be tournaments ALL THE TIME. The men and women of this sport are professionals. Part of being a professional is scheduling appropriately, taking care of your body, and learning when to peak.

If you are like some players, who like to peak for Brussels and Copenhagen, so be it. That's your (stupid) prerogative.
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Re: Should there be regular tournaments the week B4 the Slams?

A Tier 2 before a major, NH has great results, and thats players who win NH, play every match.
More than half the last 5 USO finals had a player who won NH in the USO final.
That is a 128 player draw, of course its a better field than NH, which is why NH has spectacular USO results

Every player entering NH isnt a USO contender. Its important for rank & file players to have these tournaments

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