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Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

I would say Monica. Who do you think?
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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

.These kind of threads are becoming really ridiculous !
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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

Weeks at #1

Monica Seles: 178
Venus Williams: 11

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Weeks at #1

Monica Seles: 178
Venus Williams: 11

Have a nice day.
Interesting to know you personally decided that determining order of greats is done solely by weeks at #1


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"But every sport improves dramatically every three-to-five years, and I think we've see that in the sport of tennis. These guys just keep getting better and better. There's no comparison between what guys are doing now to 10 years ago"
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"Listen, I could sit here and tell you that I'm the best of the best, but unfortunately, the best get better. That's just how it is. Speed, athleticism, change in technology, and why people don't come to the net anymore because of the angles that are created. It's a whole different set of circumstances out there"
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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

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Interesting to know you personally decided that determining order of greats is done solely by weeks at #1

Grand Slam titles

Monica Seles: 9
Venus Williams: 7

How many of the Four Grand Slams

Monica Seles: 3
Venus Williams: 2

Career titles:

Monica Seles: 53
Venus Williams: 43

Career finals

Monica Seles: 85
Venus Williams: 70

Tier I titles:

Monica Seles: 9
Venus Williams: 8

Tier II titles:

Monica Seles: 22
Venus Williams: 17
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Grand Slam titles

Monica Seles: 9
Venus Williams: 7

How many of the Four Grand Slams

Monica Seles: 3
Venus Williams: 2

Career titles:

Monica Seles: 53
Venus Williams: 43

Career finals

Monica Seles: 85
Venus Williams: 70

Tier I titles:

Monica Seles: 9
Venus Williams: 8

Tier II titles:

Monica Seles: 22
Venus Williams: 17
Wow I never knew how close their stats were!

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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

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Grand Slam titles

Monica Seles: 9
Venus Williams: 7

How many of the Four Grand Slams

Monica Seles: 3
Venus Williams: 2

Career titles:

Monica Seles: 53
Venus Williams: 43

Career finals

Monica Seles: 85
Venus Williams: 70

Tier I titles:

Monica Seles: 9
Venus Williams: 8

Tier II titles:

Monica Seles: 22
Venus Williams: 17
9-1 H2H?() Olympic golds? Doubles achievements? Prize money? Slam finals? Fighting for gender equality? Winning the most prestigious tournament where tennis began 5 times?

I'm not making a conclusion by any means, just pointing out that you simply can't pick all the statistics that Monica is ahead in for convenience's sake - especially when the stats you posted are actually quite close.


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Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"But every sport improves dramatically every three-to-five years, and I think we've see that in the sport of tennis. These guys just keep getting better and better. There's no comparison between what guys are doing now to 10 years ago"
Quote:
Originally Posted by Andre Agassi
"Listen, I could sit here and tell you that I'm the best of the best, but unfortunately, the best get better. That's just how it is. Speed, athleticism, change in technology, and why people don't come to the net anymore because of the angles that are created. It's a whole different set of circumstances out there"
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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

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9-1 H2H?() Olympic golds? Doubles achievements? Prize money? Slam finals? Fighting for gender equality? Winning the most prestigious tournament where tennis began 5 times?

I'm not making a conclusion by any means - just pointing out that you simply can't pick all the statistics that Monica is ahead in for convenience sake

H-2-H's aren't really that big a factor. Doubles is a different category? Prize money increased since Monica's glory days. A slam is a slam these days. Winning Wimbledon is just as good as winnng any other slam. Gender equality? What does that have to do with it? Anyway, I haven't heard Venus protest for gender equality. She wants women to earn as much as men while not competing against them for it, and not playing as many sets. How does that constitute equality?
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9-1 H2H?() Olympic golds? Doubles achievements? Prize money? Slam finals? Fighting for gender equality? Winning the most prestigious tournament where tennis began 5 times?

I'm not making a conclusion by any means, just pointing out that you simply can't pick all the statistics that Monica is ahead in for convenience's sake - especially when the stats you posted are actually quite close.

Venus and Seles never played each other until two years after she won her last Grand Slam in 1998. She was way past her peak and was never the same player after she was stabbed. I'm sure if Seles played Venus in 1990-1993 she would win.

Prize money has increased over the years, in case you haven't realised.

It's obvious you're getting desperate when you go to doubles, which isn't even related, and for god's sake, "fighting for gender equality"? WTF does that have to do with ANYTHING?
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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

Well, Seles results in 1990-1993 are far better than anything Venus achieved. And without the notorious stabbing incident Seles could have easily had about 15 GS titles (or perhaps even slightly more) under her belt. After all, she was still 19 years old at that time and won 8 GS titles already.
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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

Venus could've won double digits slams had she not given away the slam finals to Serena

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Re: Who's greater: Monica Seles vs Venus Williams?

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9-1 H2H?() Olympic golds? Doubles achievements? Prize money? Slam finals? Fighting for gender equality? Winning the most prestigious tournament where tennis began 5 times?

I'm not making a conclusion by any means, just pointing out that you simply can't pick all the statistics that Monica is ahead in for convenience's sake - especially when the stats you posted are actually quite close.

LOOOOOOOOL! Epic fail.

Seles > Venus, without a question.


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9-1 H2H?() Olympic golds? Doubles achievements? Prize money? Slam finals? Fighting for gender equality? Winning the most prestigious tournament where tennis began 5 times?

I'm not making a conclusion by any means, just pointing out that you simply can't pick all the statistics that Monica is ahead in for convenience's sake - especially when the stats you posted are actually quite close.

Fight for gender equality contributes to greatness? That's a first. I doubt it's ever even been used in the Henin vs. Venus debate. Sit down, buddy.

Seles > Venus.

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