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Wozniacki's chances (or lack thereof) to win the 2011 French Open

Let's try to be objective. The RG clay is not a good surface for the Woz as it exposes the lack of offense in her game. Plus she goes in with all the "Slamless #1" pressure on her. I can't think of a time when the #1 seed at RG was less of a favorite to win the title in Paris.

Let me make it clear that I don't place the Woz in the same category as Safina and Jankovic who were embarrassments as the WTA #1 players. She's as worthy a #1 as the WTA could hope for right now. But an RG title this year is very unlikely. There are just too many players capable of beating her on the clay.

update: Wozniacki has now been spanked twice in 10 days by Julia Goerges, who is not even a particularly good clay-courter or one of the favorites for RG.

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Let's try to be objective. The RG clay is not a good surface for the Woz as it exposes the lack of offense in her game. Plus she goes in with all the "Slamless #1" pressure on her. I can't think of a time when the #1 seed at RG was less of a favorite to win the title in Paris.

Let me make it clear that I don't place the Woz in the same category as Safina and Jankovic who were embarrassments as the WTA #1 players. She's as worthy a #1 as the WTA could hope for right now. But an RG title this year is very unlikely. There are just too many players capable of beating her on the clay.
How were Safina and Jankovic bigger embarrassments? None of those two or Wozniacki managed to win Slams, but they ALL won a lot of big tournaments and rightfully took the number 1 ranking.

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How were Safina and Jankovic bigger embarrassments? None of those two or Wozniacki managed to win Slams, but they ALL won a lot of big tournaments and rightfully took the number 1 ranking.
Exactly. They deserved their #1 and very very few players manage to achieve that. The only thing I find embarrasing is a so-called tennis fan who will never achieve abything in their lives remotely like JJ, Dinara and Caro calling their achievments embarrasments.

As for Caro's chances at RG. She looks the favourite - but it really is wide open and a chance for a lot of players and very likely we get a new slam winner whoever it is. And although Caro's the favourite, the chances of her not winning and hence someone else winning are much much greater than the chance of her winning. That goes the same for any player.

I do think clay is a surface Caro could do well on though. Haven't really seen her much on red clay since she's improved remembering she was injured last year during the red clay seaon from rolling her ankle.

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Let's try to be objective. The RG clay is not a good surface for the Woz as it exposes the lack of offense in her game. Plus she goes in with all the "Slamless #1" pressure on her. I can't think of a time when the #1 seed at RG was less of a favorite to win the title in Paris.

Let me make it clear that I don't place the Woz in the same category as Safina and Jankovic who were embarrassments as the WTA #1 players. She's as worthy a #1 as the WTA could hope for right now. But an RG title this year is very unlikely. There are just too many players capable of beating her on the clay.
Of Cause you may voice your opinion, but saying "Safina and Jankovic who were embarrassments" is bad taste I think. They have done the best they could, why is that an "embarrassment"? That there where others that where better than them, that's just how it is. So we'll see how it goes for Caroline, but she will never be an embarrassment to her self nor anyone else if she geves it her best shot.
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I think Caro is a real longshot at Wimbledon.
At the FO, I'm still not sure. I want to see Madrid & Rome.
Caro has not won a red clay title yet. But I think clay might become her best surface over hard court.

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They did the best they could do, that time was when slam winners were not winning Tier I's and Tier II's. They did their job.
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She'll always be in danger of looking powerless against big hitting players who play with confidence like Goerges or Petkovic if they hit some really good form, and that's almost bound to happen in the later stages I guess.
Problem with Woz is that, though she's consistently good, or very good, she is rarely great/awesome/godlike (it does happen sometimes ), and anything but great isn't good enough when you face a player that can hit with power off both sides and doesn't make a lot of ue's.

To her credit she does seem to cope much better with variety, players like Schiavone and MJMS that used to give her a lot of headaches look pretty much powerless against her now as she improved on her all court skills.

But she has to develop a game for the big hitters if she wants to win a few slams.

With all that said I think she's got a very good chance this year. Yes, there are girls who can hurt her but a lot of things have to add up for Azarenka, Stosur, Zvonareva, Petkovic, Wickmayer etc.. for them to be a real threat,..Wozniacki will do well, will it be enough I don't know but given the competition right now it just might.
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There's only been one REAL red clay court event of the season and that was Stuttgart. I'm no Caro-fan, but she made it to the final? That's a very decent result given the quality of the field, so don't you think it's a little to early to be making these accusations now?

Maybe this thread will have relevance if she bombs out in Rome and Madrid.

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Safina and Jankovic was better world number 1 than Caroline, sorry.

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The only player who was a complete embarrassment to the #1 ranking was Ana Ivanovic. As world #1 she hardly won any matches and humiliated herself and the tour by being who she is. Her stint at #1 is a black page in the history of the WTA tour.

Wozniacki is more of a favorite at RG '11 than Ivanovic has been and ever will be in any tournament.

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Wozniacki is more of a favorite at RG '11 than Ivanovic has been and ever will be in any tournament.

While it pains me to waste my time refuting complete and utter BS, it's necessary to point out that Ivanovic was one of the top 3 favorites for RG '08, based both on her form going in, and on having reached the final the previous year.
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It's a common misconception that less powerful players have the best chance to win on clay. Look at Martina Hingis, she was far better on hard courts han she was on clay. The same as Caro. I give her next to no chance at the RG. Without a doubt her best chances to win a slam are AO/USO.
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Of Cause you may voice your opinion, but saying "Safina and Jankovic who were embarrassments" is bad taste I think. They have done the best they could, why is that an "embarrassment"? That there where others that where better than them, that's just how it is. So we'll see how it goes for Caroline, but she will never be an embarrassment to her self nor anyone else if she geves it her best shot.
I do think that Safina was an embarrassment. She reached 3 slam finals, and choked and folded like cheap tent in all three. At least Jankovic played a good, close and competitive match in her lone slam final.
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The only player who was a complete embarrassment to the #1 ranking was Ana Ivanovic. As world #1 she hardly won any matches and humiliated herself and the tour by being who she is. Her stint at #1 is a black page in the history of the WTA tour.

Wozniacki is more of a favorite at RG '11 than Ivanovic has been and ever will be in any tournament.
Exactly. People here often forget how Ana embarrassed WTA when she was No.1.

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Exactly. People here often forget how Ana embarrassed WTA when she was No.1.
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Let's try to be objective. The RG clay is not a good surface for the Woz as it exposes the lack of offense in her game. Plus she goes in with all the "Slamless #1" pressure on her. I can't think of a time when the #1 seed at RG was less of a favorite to win the title in Paris.
Well, as far as I know clay is the slowest surface, and it has been prefered by players from Spain, Italy, South America who were taught to play defensive, becuase clay suits their game perfectly. That is why offensive players (Sampras, Federer) had serious problems with becoming a RG champion.
Woz is a defensive player, so she should be able to play good here, of course if only her movement on clay wasn't so bad...

The statement "is not a good surface for the Woz as it exposes the lack of offense in her game" would be correct if you would talk about grass. There Woz is totally useless IMO.

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