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WTA now VS 10 years ago...

My my my....are the best years of WTA tennis really gone?! You be the judge..........

2001 end of the year ranking
1. Lindsay Davenport
2. Jennifer Capriati
3. Venus Williams
4. Martina Hingis
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Serena Williams
7. Justine Henin
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10.Monica Seles

VS current 2011 ranking

1. Caroline Wozniacki
2. Kim Clijsters
3. Vera Zvonereva
4. Fransesca Schiovone
5. Victoria Azerenka
6. Samantha Stosur
7. Li Na
8. Jelena Jankovic
9. Maria Sharapova
10.Serena Williams

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Re: WTA now VS 10 years ago...

I dunno if it was better in terms of better.

But I know that I really enjoyed watching more back then as the girls still liked to give the balls a serious spanking (apart from Hingis, one could argue about Henin, Clijsters and Mauresmo). And that's just the kind of tennis I prefer to watch, mind the UE and stuff that comes along with that.

Whom I liked to wtach back then? Davenport, Capriati, Williamses, Seles

Now? Stosur (when she's not a headcase, which seldomly occurs), Pova (when she's on, which seldomly occurs), Serena (when she plays, which hardly ever occurs)

More interesting: Yes.
Better? Dunno.

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All of those players were multiple slam winners, aside from Dokic who had exceptional personal problems and was unable to reach her peak. 9 of 10 won at least 2 grand slam titles. I think that's the main difference.

We have only 3 multiple slam winners in the current top 10. It's not just a matter of them being younger/active players either. I do not see many more of them winning slams, they'd all find a way to lose at some stage. So yes, the current top 10 is far worse.

Daniela Hantuchova.

Casey Dellacqua, Jelena Jankovic, Anna-Lena Groenefeld,
Jelena Dokic, Mirjana Lucic, Sara Tomic, Sloane Stephens
Melanie Oudin, Kaia Kanepi, Alison Riske
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Re: WTA now VS 10 years ago...

All of this "WTA now VS 10 years ago..." is okay as such, then let it go, or it's only damaging. I remember back before Steffi, Martina N. was comming up and then Steffi came along. This "WTA now VS 10 years ago..." guys/girls ... I just don't get it but I know one thing, champions come and go
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Re: WTA now VS 10 years ago...

You can't judge that at present time. The players in WTA top anno 2001 are all at the end of the career, or they're already retired, while the WTA top anno 2011 still have loads of accomplishments left in them.
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Jelena Something-ic from the former Yugoslavia still #8!

Paul Annacone on Wozniacki: "Her biggest skill is to make you over play."
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Re: WTA now VS 10 years ago...

Ten years ago, WTA was more popular and more exciting... even against ATP. Now...

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All of those players were multiple slam winners, aside from Dokic who had exceptional personal problems and was unable to reach her peak. 9 of 10 won at least 2 grand slam titles. I think that's the main difference.

We have only 3 multiple slam winners in the current top 10. It's not just a matter of them being younger/active players either. I do not see many more of them winning slams, they'd all find a way to lose at some stage. So yes, the current top 10 is far worse.
In 2001 only the top 4 and Seles had multiple slam titles. Considering Seles already had her best years behind her and Capriati had zero slams until 2001 I believe it's not that bad. You should at least wait until the end of 2011 (and see how the remaining three slams turn out) before you compare these lists when it comes to slam titles.
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All of those players were multiple slam winners, aside from Dokic who had exceptional personal problems and was unable to reach her peak. 9 of 10 won at least 2 grand slam titles. I think that's the main difference.

We have only 3 multiple slam winners in the current top 10. It's not just a matter of them being younger/active players either. I do not see many more of them winning slams, they'd all find a way to lose at some stage. So yes, the current top 10 is far worse.
Kim, Justine, and Momo had yet to win a slam back then. Serena had only 1 slam at that point as well.
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Why are you only discussing slam titles? The players on the former list are simply better players at nearly any point in the careers.

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You can't judge that at present time. The players in WTA top anno 2001 are all at the end of the career, or they're already retired, while the WTA top anno 2011 still have loads of accomplishments left in them.
2001 end of the year ranking
1. Lindsay Davenport -> past her peak
2. Jennifer Capriati -> best year of her career
3. Venus Williams -> past her peak but still there 10 years later
4. Martina Hingis -> past her peak
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Serena Williams
7. Justine Henin
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10.Monica Seles -> retired not too long afterwards

VS current 2011 ranking

1. Caroline Wozniacki
2. Kim Clijsters -> to retire soon
3. Vera Zvonereva
4. Fransesca Schiovone -> over 30 = old for a tennis player
5. Victoria Azerenka
6. Samantha Stosur -> > 25
7. Li Na -> > 25
8. Jelena Jankovic
9. Maria Sharapova
10.Serena Williams -> 30 this year
Not to mention... who says girls like Zvonareva, Stosur, Li, Jankovic or Sharapova aren't past their peak as well?

There's no proof players in 2011 have many more things to achieve. A lot of players in the current top 10 are 25 or older. Many players in 2001 were very young and dominated later.
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2001 end of the year ranking
1. Lindsay Davenport -> past her peak
2. Jennifer Capriati -> best year of her career
3. Venus Williams -> past her peak but still there 10 years later
4. Martina Hingis -> past her peak
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Serena Williams
7. Justine Henin
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10.Monica Seles -> retired not too long afterwards

VS current 2011 ranking

1. Caroline Wozniacki
2. Kim Clijsters -> to retire soon
3. Vera Zvonereva
4. Fransesca Schiovone -> over 30 = old for a tennis player
5. Victoria Azerenka
6. Samantha Stosur -> > 25
7. Li Na -> > 25
8. Jelena Jankovic
9. Maria Sharapova
10.Serena Williams -> 30 this year
Not to mention... who says girls like Zvonareva, Stosur, Li, Jankovic or Sharapova aren't past their peak as well?

There's no proof players in 2011 have many more things to achieve. A lot of players in the current top 10 are 25 or older. Many players in 2001 were very young and dominated later.
You are misunderstanding me. People will not look at either list as representing the game that year. They will look at the first list and see all the accomplishments they have anno 2011. So in that sense, Serena and Kim will even out on the two list. Other than that, it is different names in the two lists. So let's compare the two: The first list have two currently active players (bar aforementioned Kim and Ree), both of which are at the dawn of their carrer. On the second list, you have Sharapova as the only very accomplished new player. Then you have a lot of names who will most likely dominate the WTA after 2012. Vika, Zvonareva and Caro are not unlikely to win a lot of slams combined. Sure, you have some older players as well, but you never know how long they'll be playing.
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You can't judge that at present time. The players in WTA top anno 2001 are all at the end of the career, or they're already retired, while the WTA top anno 2011 still have loads of accomplishments left in them.
But are they doing anything is the question? This top 5 can't do anything against Clijsters or Serena when they are playing well. Some crash out of slams early too....Right now I dont see them accomplishing anything.

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Re: WTA now VS 10 years ago...

Somebody's going to win the next 40 majors, and it wont be players retiring soon.
So no point comparing a list of players who had 10+ years on tour with a list that has players who have 10+ years in front of them.

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