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Question Which Top Players Are Average on Clay? Which Lesser Players GOAT on Clay?

since it is raining in Miami we can look forward to the clay season that is starting next week ... I am always curious at the top ranked players that are not so good on clay, either because they did not grow up on the surface (Americans, Chinese) and / or their power game is not as effective since the opponents have more time to chase down the balls that would be winners on faster court ... then there are the lower ranked players that are really good on clay and can make a living on it since half the WTA season is on the surface ... so lets identify these players

Top Players that Are Average on Clay
1) Sharapova - yes she did reach RG SF but people say she moves like cow on ice right
2) Li - she reached Estoril MM final and Warsaw Premier SF, but does not have enough patience to finish off points properly on the surface
3) V Williams - reached the final when she was at her peak and won Premiers like Berlin / Rome but really is not a threat, especially now
4) S Williams - she does not really try on the surface anymore outside of RG
5) Clijsters - same as Serena but she does not even care about RG
6) Azarenka - should have grown up on the surface but I don't remember any big results from her on it except RG QF
7) Bartoli - same as Azarenka

Lesser Players that Are GOAT on Clay1) Dulgheru - her variety drives opponents nuts ... WARSAW-GOAT
2) Dominguez Lino - moonballs ... BOGOTA-GOAT
3) Martinez Sanchez - her titles: Rome, Bastad, Bogota

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Re: Which Top Players Are Average on Clay? Which Lesser Players GOAT on Clay?

You didn't mention Wozniacki: she did nothing special on that surface so far
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I don't think Venus belongs on that list. RG =/= Clay as a whole. She's one of the players with the most clay titles on tour, though she always underperformed at Roland Garros in particular.

EDIT: Besides, she's got a Rome win, Warsaw win, Hamburg, Amelia Island, Charleston and Acapulco x2 wins, plus RG Final(And another Rome/Madrid F) which equals/surpasses all those lesser ranked Clay-"GOATs," plus everyone else mentioned but Serena(Due to the RG win I guess)

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I don't believe Sharapova dislikes clay anymore - she pretty much played her best tennis last year on clay and lately slow courts seem to be comfortable for her game.

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Wozniacki was in the Madrid final in 2009.
Safina probably likes it. Zvonareva has lousy results on clay, but should like it.
Stosur and Schiavone like it, I dont think Petkovic will like it.

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since it is raining in Miami we can look forward to the clay season that is starting next week ... I am always curious at the top ranked players that are not so good on clay, either because they did not grow up on the surface (Americans, Chinese) and / or their power game is not as effective since the opponents have more time to chase down the balls that would be winners on faster court ... then there are the lower ranked players that are really good on clay and can make a living on it since half the WTA season is on the surface ... so lets identify these players

Top Players that Are Average on Clay
1) Sharapova - yes she did reach RG SF but people say she moves like cow on ice right
2) Li - she reached Estoril MM final and Warsaw Premier SF, but does not have enough patience to finish off points properly on the surface
3) V Williams - reached the final when she was at her peak and won Premiers like Berlin / Rome but really is not a threat, especially now
4) S Williams - she does not really try on the surface anymore outside of RG
5) Clijsters - same as Serena but she does not even care about RG
6) Azarenka - should have grown up on the surface but I don't remember any big results from her on it except RG QF
7) Bartoli - same as Azarenka

Lesser Players that Are GOAT on Clay1) Dulgheru - her variety drives opponents nuts ... WARSAW-GOAT
2) Dominguez Lino - moonballs ... BOGOTA-GOAT
3) Martinez Sanchez - her titles: Rome, Bastad, Bogota
How about top players that are GOAT on clay?
1. Jankovic
2. Stosur
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since it is raining in Miami we can look forward to the clay season that is starting next week ... I am always curious at the top ranked players that are not so good on clay, either because they did not grow up on the surface (Americans, Chinese) and / or their power game is not as effective since the opponents have more time to chase down the balls that would be winners on faster court ... then there are the lower ranked players that are really good on clay and can make a living on it since half the WTA season is on the surface ... so lets identify these players

Top Players that Are Average on Clay
1) Sharapova - yes she did reach RG SF but people say she moves like cow on ice right
2) Li - she reached Estoril MM final and Warsaw Premier SF, but does not have enough patience to finish off points properly on the surface
3) V Williams - reached the final when she was at her peak and won Premiers like Berlin / Rome but really is not a threat, especially now
4) S Williams - she does not really try on the surface anymore outside of RG
5) Clijsters - same as Serena but she does not even care about RG
6) Azarenka - should have grown up on the surface but I don't remember any big results from her on it except RG QF
7) Bartoli - same as Azarenka

Lesser Players that Are GOAT on Clay1) Dulgheru - her variety drives opponents nuts ... WARSAW-GOAT
2) Dominguez Lino - moonballs ... BOGOTA-GOAT
3) Martinez Sanchez - her titles: Rome, Bastad, Bogota
Rome '09 SF and Berlin '08 SF too.
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Azarenka may not be the best on clay, but I sure as hell have seen her play some stunning matches on it. The surface neutralizes her weak serve a little bit, and she uses her (great) dropshots a lot more on clay.
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Wozniacki was in the Madrid final in 2009.
Safina probably likes it. Zvonareva has lousy results on clay, but should like it.
Stosur and Schiavone like it, I dont think Petkovic will like it.
Caro reached final then w/o playing seeded player.

yeah, "probably" she likes it. 2008-09 had 32-3 record.

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I dont know if Safina will like it now. She has to get serves in, or it will be the same as hard court.

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I don't believe Sharapova dislikes clay anymore - she pretty much played her best tennis last year on clay and lately slow courts seem to be comfortable for her game.
She did win a big title on clay, can't remember which or when, but I do remember it was green clay, so maybe Charleston? But she also said that it felt like playing on a hard court with clay sprinkled all over it. I believe that she still has a lot of learning to do. Playing on clay is all about footwork and patience, and big hitters like Maria tend to get frustrated on the red stuff.

Wozniacki, on the other hand...I don't really know why hasn't she peaked on clay. Her game seems to be perfectly suited for it, maybe she's just not used to it. I mean, look at Stosur: she used to hate clay and now she managed to get to the SF and the final of RG in consecutive years.
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And Safina, when in form, is a pure joy to watch on clay.
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Venus, just like Amelie, played great outside RG


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Venus, just like Amelie, played great outside RG
Exactly, she probably has the best active claycourt resume with 9 career clay titles including tier 1 wins at Rome and Charleston and several other tier two titles. Just shows how poor the current generation is on clay

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Wozniacki, on the other hand...I don't really know why hasn't she peaked on clay. Her game seems to be perfectly suited for it, maybe she's just not used to it.
She should be used to it growing up. I think 90% of the outdoor courts in Denmark are red clay. There's only few outdoor hardcourts and not a single grass court in Denmark.
Caro is not good at sliding and starts sliding too late if at all, so she is slow at changing direction on clay.

IIRC Scandinavian red clay is usually deeper and slower than Southern European red clay from what I have heard from a Eurosport commentator who used to play on the ATP tour.

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