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Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

The head-to-head is abysmal now for the Dane, but Wozniacki is currently in top shape and we do not know what kind of form will Venus and Serena be coming back in... The sisters have returned from long layouts and quickly regained their prowess and winning ways before, but injuries have been taking a higher toll lately. A fit backboard like Woz could worry especially Venus, who tends to be more streaky when in error-prone mode, but maybe a challenge like the number 1 ranked player is what takes Venus to a more focused game. Caroline, on the other hand, still has the non-existing Slam title weighting down on her shoulders, a concern that is probably affecting her performance with each missed opportunity, and both sisters are proven Slam contenders and extremely dangerous opponents in the second week, no matter what shape they are in.

Head-to-head aside, there is no guarantee of results in tennis, so this could be a very intriguing match if it were to occur someday...

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

It's difficult to say, because what both Serena and Venus have (or when Venus plays decent) are excellent serves. When was the last time Caroline faced someone with a great serve? If someone is holding serve comfortably it completely changes the complexion of the match-up.

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Venus, not Serena.
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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Objectively it would be hard to say as the form of Williams sisters is unknown. Subjectively... I think the fans of Williams still outnumber Caro's fans so if there was a poll here it would be interesting
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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

I hope we see those matches. I'd like to see a Caro-Kim match, hasnt happened yet in 2011, even though they both are having good years

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

If Woz is ever going to beat any of the Big 4, her best chance is Venus, or Serena in the first month or two of her comeback(if she hasn't been staying fit.) Venus is known to put on a horrorfest against counterpunchers/players who can extend her in rallies(Losing H2H against JJ, Clijsters including 5 in a row.) While Wozniacki is inferior to Jaja and especially Kim in offensive capabilities, I consider her an even better defender than the both of them. If Venus and Caro were to meet, and my life depended on it, I would have to bet on Caro sadly.

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Of course not, Vee, or even Serena would roast her..however, if she were to meet serena before she's had any matches under her belt, things could get tricky...i highly doubt Vee or Serena would let themselves be beaten by Caro, regardless of how buddy buddy they are...
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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

why are venus and serena grouped together like one entity? serena, when fit, is the best player around and can only be challenged off of clay for that title by clijsters. venus, meanwhile, has done very little of note for ages. at wimbledon she's a danger, and if she gets a run going, then potentially at some of the american hard court tournaments she is a danger, but in the last few years, venus has become an also-ran. i'd expect caro to beat her on most occasions.

however, if venus found enough form that she reached a slam final and faced caro in it, i'd pick venus purely because in reaching such a final it would be evidence that she had found form and on-form venus beats caro.

i'd pick serena over caro almost every time.

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Venus - Wozniacki
6-4 6-4
6-3 7-5
6-2 6-2
6-3 6-3

Serena - Wozniacki
6-7(5) 6-3 7-6(3)
6-4 0-1(till she had those cramp attacks)

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

I favor Wozniacki against a healthy V. Williams anywhere other than Wimbledon.

With a healthy S.Williams . . . I say she has a decent chance but I don't favor her.

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

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venus, meanwhile, has done very little of note for ages.
Well neither has Serena really, she hasn't played in nearly a year. Depends what you mean by ages. Venus did nearly beat Kim at the US Open, for the past 2 years in fact. To me, that's not very little - also ran maybe, but one of the best also rans.

What are you basing Venus losing to Caroline on, other than your own estimation of Venus' ability when she returns from injury? You talk about "who has done what" recently and who might win in a slam final; well Venus' last slam final was only two months before Wozniacki's last and only slam final.

Obviously if they were to meet in the near future Wozniacki has all the form. But Venus still has all the class. Until she stops reaching the second week of slams, you can't ignore that. The way some people talk you'd think she was in a Sharapova or Ivanovic-like predicament.

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(1)A lot is being made of the record Serena has vs Sharapova. It is being used as THE reason she will win again lol. Good thing we have players like Tomas Berdych (who had an even worse record vs Nadal) to remind us of the fallacy of this nonsense logic.
(2)You stans may as well sleep well tonight because tomorrow the a replay of Lucie's winning moment over and over again will haunt your dreams for weeks to come
(3)The stars have aligned perfectly for the upset of the 21st century. All the best Garbine
(4) There is no path to victory for Williams.Keys wins in straight easy sets.
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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

I think even though Caro has a 0-4 record against Venus, she'd probably be considered the favorite over her at this point (especially since it's been 3 years since they last played each other.) With Serena, I think it would depend on what condition she's in and what tournament they were playing.

Also, it's worth mentioning that Caro has already almost beaten Serena once, at Sydney 2009. The score was 6-7, 6-3, 7-6. And Caro retired in the only other match they played, but until that point that match was also pretty competitive. So it's not like Serena is blowing her off the court or anything.

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Both Williamses are out with injury so I'm sure she can beat them right now.

I think people are underestimating Venus and overestimating Serena in this match-up.

Playing defensively against Venus never cuts it. She has stellar records against players like Shahar, etc. You have to be able to take your chances and go for quick hard strikes the moment you have an opportunity - that's how you mess up Venus's rhythm and that's when her strokes will break down. Wozniacka really isn't that quick... against Venus, having good court positioning and an excellent defensive game plan doesn't cut it. I'll favour Venus if she were to play Caro by a slight margin.

On the other hand, I think Wozniacka can outrally Serena, who unlike Venus, doesn't usually go all out on her groundstrokes. Her groundstrokes have a lot more height, which place into Wozniacka's hands. But Serena still has the edge because of the serve.

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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Yes, she would. I've been saying it for months now. Given Caroline's current form no sane tennis spectator could deny it. Well, maybe barring S.Williams on grass court at first, but even that is debatable.
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Re: Would Caroline Woz be favoured now if she were to play Venus or Serena?

Of course: Yes!

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