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Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change?

It seems a bit sad to me that the old green clay of Florida and the southern states seems to be all but abolished now, well at least on the WTA tour (though it is still to be found quite plentifully on the ITF circuit). At one time it was quite an important stage of the tournament schedule, remember the Family Circle Cup at Hilton Head and Amelia Island and the US Clay Court Championships? Maybe you are not as ancient as me, but do you think this tournament should be kept on this surface or should it switch to red clay? Or do you think green clay needs some more events to add a bit more surface variety in this days of endless hardcourt tennis?
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Amelia Island was such a beautiful and unique event, it always drew a great crowd in attendance, and it also drew a lot of top names through the years. It was a crying shame that the road map all but destroyed its future, as it has so many tournaments that had years of tradition behind them.

We've also lost tournaments in Sarasota/Ponte Vedra Beach, and the old Houston event which was also on green clay. Again, I think money was ultimately what caused their demise because it certainly wasn't because of attendance. It's sad to think that a tournament like Amelia Island which was always PACKED gets squeezed out, while tournaments in the Middle East are near empty but can afford to keep going regardless.

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Re: Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change

I think ADD another green clay tournament. Changing Charleston to red clay would be too significant as it is quite an iconic tournament.... We could have some International tournament near USA on Green clay, I think that would help...

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And to answer the question, yes I would like to see more green clay events back on the tour schedule

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I agree completely. It is such a historic surface, and players seem to love playing on it, so the more the better

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I'd like fast red clay and lighter balls to go with it, but that's just me.



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i'd like to see more green clay! woohoo!

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Re: Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change

I think it's pointless for big name players to play on green clay. I think it's time to abolish it for the WTA tour

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Green clay is a useless surface that does nothing for the WTA tour. It has no bearing on Roland Garros and no one cares about it besides Schnyder.
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Re: Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change

The way I see it is all the red clay tournaments in Europe are so different anyway, so green clay is merely another strand of it. Madrid, Rome, RG etc. are all totally different to each other (and even different each day) so it doesn't make much of a difference if there's a green clay tourney.

All we know is that AI and Charleston are two of the most loved tournaments on the tour and usually both attracted great fields and crowds alike.

Not meaning to sound naive, but I do wonder why a tournament that was packed out every day, that attracted the top players, was shown on tv, is still not financially able to continue. Surely the event itself wasn't incapable of making a profit.
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Re: Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change

IN the 80's and 90's you had Hilton HEad (Charlie) Amelia Island (which became PVB for a couple of years) Tampa & Houston- all on green clay- all had great fields....around 1990 when Houston & Tampa were given the flick, Houston spoke about how the WTA asked them to not have the event for a few years and let Europe and Asai (at the time, the Japan Open in tokyo was playeed around then, and events in Singapore were also held)but you know, the events never came back.....v sad. Aroudn the same time- 2 other events- very well supported being Boca Raton and the US Hardcourts (Dallas and San Antono_) also disappeared.
Anyways, nowaday $$ is tight, the WTA seem detrimine to squeeze Charlie out- which is such a shame- it is a great great great city with a lot of history- and tennis history too!
I would love Charlie to stay on the green clay- play fed cip the week after Miami and then bring back another small green clay event the week after and then the week fater play Charlie. Alternatively, you could play Maimi- then play Bogata or Acapulco and then Charlie. If they really wnat to f off gren clay, you could play IW's, then Charlie then Miami as another more radical alternativee. IW shoul be 1 week in the calander- play a 64 draw-Sunday to Sunday anyways I think.

back to Charlie and AI for a sec- these events were/are very well supoorted not just by the players but by the public.
I knwo WTA wants to diversify into Asia/Middle East- i get that- but overall, crowds not too flash there! They are forgetting there faithful fans in lure of cashed up countries.....I;ll be intersted to see if Cairo still goers ahead next year after the trunoil there???
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Re: Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change

It's very expensive to even sign up with the WTA Tour. Hence, the roadmap's destruction.

I find the green clay events to be the perfect transition for the players in the month of April. From months on the hardcourts, the green clay provides a slightly slower ball and sliding surface but not as dramatic as the red clay. The players can find their footing on the green clay and then progress to the red clay.

These events were never an issue until recently.
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Yes, it's definitely time for a surface change. For more events to go back to green clay.

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Re: Charleston - the only green clay WTA event left - is it time for a surface change

I guess it's a good way to make the hard court-red clay transition by playing on a faster clay court such as Charleston, but with AI and HH now out of the calendar it is becoming more and more pointless to keep the green clay events on tour IMO. And that's a shame for the multiple reasons mentioned above.
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Yes, hopefully the WTA decides to put more Green Clay Events on to their schedule, it would be terrible to see such a great surface not used in tournaments.

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