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The Reliable Three

The Reliable Three

WTA's name for Caro, Vera & Kim:

http://www.wtatour.com/news/20110124...256076_2274571

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1. Three's Company
For all the focus on Justine, Maria and Venus - legendary champions, to be sure - there are three reliable competitors at the moment: Caroline Wozniacki, Vera Zvonareva, and supermom Kim Clijsters. Appropriately, all three are still in the hunt for both the title and the No.1 ranking next week.
They have a point. Win/loss past six months (since Wimby, incl AO 4R):

Caro: 36-5
Kim: 26-3
Vera: 26-8 (32-9 incl Wimby)

And they pretty much only lose to each other.

The only others to beat them past six months:

Kim: Na Li
Caro: Cibulkova, Stosur, Bartoli
Vera: Pennetta, Elena D. and, eh... Coco Wandeweghe

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Interesting blog...I had no idea Petkovic was 23!
Awesome for her, I love to see late bloomers start to come into her own. She had injury problems didn't she?

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Looking at those numbers reminds me how close Sharapova was to beating Kim last summer.
After Caro beat Maria, she seemed to go backwards, losing to Krumm, Vesnina, Arn, & badly to Petkovic

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i was thinking the same thing today.

before you had the Big 4 (sisters and belgians), and since wimbledon it seems like everything is going between kim, caro and vera
at the 2 biggest tournaments, USO and YEC, they all reached the semis
in the meanwhile caro and vera played a few finals
kim and caro won several tournaments
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Because their draws are jokes with everyone relevant being in terminal slumps or injured.

Benesova, Sevastova and Makarova in R16
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Because their draws are jokes with everyone relevant being in terminal slumps or injured.

Benesova, Sevastova and Makarova in R16
List all these "relevant" players. Do you mean Maria, Ana, Jelena, Justine? Not too relevant.

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List all these "relevant" players. Do you mean Maria, Ana, Jelena, Justine? Not too relevant.
Serena, Venus, Justine, even Jankovic.
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Because their draws are jokes with everyone relevant being in terminal slumps or injured.

Benesova, Sevastova and Makarova in R16
If they're in terminal slumps, how are they relevant? If they're absent from the tour, how are they relevant?

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Serena, Venus, Justine, even Jankovic.
Serena hasnt played since July, who knows what's going on.
Venus lost to Li, Petrova, Pironkova, Clijsters at majors last year
Jankovic? Is that a joke?
Henin played well, that's a tough section Fran came thru. Why dont you give Fran some credit instead of acting like post retirement Henin is a great player.

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If they're in terminal slumps, how are they relevant? If they're absent from the tour, how are they relevant?
Bingo.
People need to get over the past or just move on. It's 2011

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If they're in terminal slumps, how are they relevant? If they're absent from the tour, how are they relevant?
I know. It's a sad state of affairs.
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Interesting blog...I had no idea Petkovic was 23!
Awesome for her, I love to see late bloomers start to come into her own. She had injury problems didn't she?
No, but she never focused on tennis before. She did quite lot of things as studying and else and was not sure if she wanted a career as tennis pro.
after her injury in 08 she got the feeling tennis is what she wanted.
and she told a few days ago, that this is her first season where she only focus on tennis and stopped doing more hobbies instead of practice.
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Reliable yes and boring as hell too. Kim being the exception
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Reliable yes and boring as hell too. Kim being the exception
This. Although Kim is becoming boring too.
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Re: The Reliable Three

Fans of the ol' big four won't like this. But the truth is right now for better or worse, Wozniacki, Clijsters and Zvonareva are the top 3 in the world and certainly the three most consistent players on the tour and the toughest to defeat as well.

I know how the arguments go...yeah but they are only winning because the real big 4 are either not fit or or they are out with injuries. It is true. This can't be questioned. Venus and Justine are both struggling for fitness and not at their best and of course the "real" number 1 is AWOL. Once the "real" number one returns from injuries she will quickly restore world order and reclaim her place as the best current player in the world, it is argued.

But will she? Serena Williams will be thirty immediately after the US Open. Winning Grand Slams after the age of 30 is a very rare thing. Of the 172 Grand Slam titles given out in the Open Era only 11 of them have gone to players over thirty. Only five players in the Open Era can claim to have won a Grand Slam title past their 30th birthday and none of those 5 won more than 3. And Incredibly only one single Grand Slam title has been won past the age of 32.

When Serena Williams returns to tennis, and there is no indication yet as to when that might be, she will at the very least match her longest period of inactivity since becoming pro, that period being between Wimbledon 2003 to Miami 2004. When Serena came back at Miami she did win her 1st tournament back. However she would then go on to win only three more titles, two of them the Australian Open, over the next three years.

This time around, she will be substantially older than in 2004 and unlike 2004 when the death of her sister was largely responsible for Serena's extended leave of the tour, this time she will be out soley due to her foot injury, an injury that has pretty much prevented her from practicing for almost the entire period she has been out.

Personally I would say to assume she will simply pick up where she left off after such an extended time out is optimistic at best. Anyone who follows the game knows how difficult it is for most players on the tour to regain their preinjury form when they have been forced to take an extended period away from the tour. Given the severity of her injury, the extended period out and her age, I do not believe we can comfortably assume she will ever return to her preinjury form.

I know I will probably be labeled a "hater" for stating this but I do not consider that to be justified. My motivation in writing this is simply to encourage her fans to have realistic expectations once she does return to the tour and thereby prevent themselves from being too disappointed if it turns out she is unable to regain her preinjury level.

Let me be very clear, Serena Williams is without question the best player of her generation and one of the four or five best players of the open era. Furthermore there is not a single player in the game who has even the smallest remotest chance of surpassing her accomplishments. But she is still flesh and blood. Injuries can hamper even the best of players from returning to their best level. We only need to look at Sharapova to be reminded of this.

Perhaps, great champion that she is, Serena Williams will be that rare exception, a player who can comeback from an extended period off and pick up where she left off. She certainly has sprung some impressive surprises in the past. But I would have to say were Serena to comeback after this foot injury and go on to win more Grand Slams I would consider it to be the most remarkable and impressive achievement of her career and you can put it on record that should that happen I will be as fullsome with praise and admiration as any of her fans could be.

That said, until the time that Serena proves that she is back as a force and for that matter until such time as Venus and Henin demostrate they are back as forces I think we have to accept that right now the three best players in the world are indeed the three who are the highest ranked namely, Wozniacki, Clijsters and Zvonareva.


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