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Rank The Top Ten On Ability

Rank the top ten on 7different categories of ability: Power, Speed, Mental, Versatility, Intelligence, Consistentcy (groundstrokes), Match Consistentcy, then average them for the top ten "Talents".

Power
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1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Lindsay
4. JCap
5. Monica
6. Kim Clijsters
7. Amelie Mauresmo
8. Justine Henin
9. Jelena Dokic
10. Martina Hingis

Speed
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1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Kim Clijsters
4. JCap
5. Justine Henin
6. Amelie Mauresmo
7. Jelena Dokic
8. Martina Hingis (since comback anyways)
9. Lindsay Davenport
10. Monica Seles

Mental
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1. Monica Seles
2. Venus Williams
3. JCap
4. Serena Williams
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Justine Henin
7. Martina Hingis
8. Lindsay Davenport
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Jelena Dokic

Versatility
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1. Martina Hingis
2. Amelie Mauresmo
3. Justine Henin
4. Kim Clijsters
5. Lindsay Davenport
6. Venus Williams
7. Serena Williams
8. Jennifer Capriati
9. Monica Seles
10. Jelena Dokic

Intelligence
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1. Martina Hingis
2. Monica Seles
3. Venus Williams
4. Lidnsay Davenport
5. Serena Williams
6. Jennifer Capriati
7. Amelie Mauresmo
8. Justine Henin
9. Kim Clijsters
10. Jelena Dokic

Consistentcy (groundstrokes)
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1. Martina Hingis
2. Justine Henin
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Monica Seles
5. Jennifer Capriati
6. Amelie Mauresmo
7. Kim Clijsters
8. Serena Williams
9. Venus Williams
10. Jelena Dokic

Match Consistentcy
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1. Venus Williams
2. Serena Williams
3. Monica Seles
4. Lindsay Davenport
5. Jennifer Capriati
6. Amelie Mauresmo
7. Martina Hingis
8. Justine Henin
9. Kim Clijsters
10. Jelena Dokic

Average
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1. Venus Williams- 3
2. Serena Williams-4
3. Monica Seles-5 (4.9)
4. Martina Hingis-5 (even)
Jennifer Capriati-5 (even)
6. Lindsay Davenport-5 (5.2)
7. Justine Henin (5.7)
8. Kim Clijsters-6 (6.1)
Amelie Mauresmo-6 (6.1)
10.Jelena Dokic- 9

I think thats a pretty fair analysis of the top 10 talent wise, Its basically saying 3-6 is very close and 7-9 is very close, I'm not knocking Dokic but I think thats a fair representation
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Great analysis. Assuming (at my own peril ) that the serve is included in "groundstrokes" then I disagree with your assessment there. Serena's groundstrokes are head and shoulders above Hingis, Momo, Justine or Jen currently. But, I like your overall assessment.

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POWER
1) Serena Williams
2) Venus Williams
3) Lindsay Davenport
4) Monica Seles
5) Jennifer Capriati
6) Jelena Dokic
7) Kim Clijsters
8) Amelie Mauresmo
9) Justine Henin
10) Martina Hingis
SPEED
1) Serena Williams
2) Kim Clijsters
3) Venus Williams
4) Justine Henin
5) Jennifer Capriati
6) Amelie Mauresmo
7) Jelena Dokic
8) Martina Hingis
9) Monica Seles
10) Lindsay Davenport
MENTAL
1) Serena Williams
2) Venus Williams
3) Monica Seles
4) Kim Clijsters
5) Justine Henin
6) Lindsay Davenport
7) Amelie Mauresmo
8) Jennifer Capriati
9) Martina Hingis
10) Jelena Dokic
VERSATILITY
1) Martina Hingis
2) Justine Henin
3) Amelie Mauresmo
4) Kim Clijsters
5) Venus Williams
6) Serena Williams
7) Lindsay Davenport
8) Jennifer Capriati
9) Monica Seles
10) Jelena Dokic
INTELLIGENCE
1) Serena Williams
2) Jennifer Capriati
3) Amelie Mauresmo
4) Venus Williams
5) Justine Henin
6) Martina Hingis
7) Kim Clijsters
8) Lindsay Davenport
9) Monica Seles
10) Jelena Dokic
CONSISTENCY
1) Monica Seles
2) Lindsay Davenport
3) Serena Williams
4) Amelie Mauresmo
5) Martina Hingis
6) Kim Clijsters
7) Justine Henin
8) Venus Williams
9) Jennifer Capriati
10) Jelena Dokic
MATCH CONSISTENCY
1) Serena Williams
2) Venus Williams
3) Amelie Mauresmo
4) Lindsay Davenport
5) Jennifer Capriati
6) Monica Seles
7) Martina Hingis
8) Justine Henin
9) Kim Clijsters
10) Jelena Dokic
AVERAGE
1) Serena Williams 2
2) Venus Williams 3.71
3) Amelie Mauresmo 4.86
4) Kim Clijsters 5.57
5) Lindsay Davenport 5.71
Justine Henin 5.71
7) Monica Seles 5.86
8) Jennifer Capriati 6
9) Martina Hingis 6.57
10) Jelena Dokic 9
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sorry but altho some of your analysis is very good you are waaay to biased towards monica.

going by your categories, here is mine.....(ive put a line between where if i think there is a gulf in each category)

Penetrating Power.
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1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Jennifer
4. Lindsay
5. Kim
6. Monica
7. Jelena

8. Mauresmo
9. Henin
10. Hingis


Speed.
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1. Venus
2. Jennifer
3. Serena
4. Kim

5. Henin
6. Mauresmo
7. Hingis
8. Jelena
9. Lindsay
10. Monica

Mental.
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1. Venus
2. Jennifer
3. Serena
4. Monica
5. Kim

6. Lindsay
7. Hingis
8. Jelena
9. Mauresmo
10. Henin

Versatility/intelligence
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1. Hingis
2. Venus
3. Serena
4. Henin
5. Jennifer
6. Mauresmo
7. Lindsay
8. Kim
9. monica
10. Jelena

Fitness.
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1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Jennifer
4. Mauresmo
5. Henin
6. Kim
7. Jelena
8. Lindsay
9. Hingis
10. Monica

Purest groundstrokes/consistency.
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1. Jennifer
2. Lindsay
3. Serena
4. Venus
5. Monica
6. Kim
7. Hingis
8. Henin
9. Jelena
10. Mauresmo

(Big) Match Consistency (more important IMO)

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Jennifer
4. Kim
5. Lindsay
6. Hingis
7. Monica
8. Henin
9. Mauresmo
10. Jelena

Overall.
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Power
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1. Venus Williams
2. Serena Williams
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Jennifer Capriati
5. Monica Seles
6. Kim Clijsters
7. Justine Henin
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Martina Hingis

Speed
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1. Serena Williams
2. Venus Williams
3. Kim Clijsters
4. Jennifer Capriati
5. Justine Henin
6. Martina Hingis
7. Amelie Mauresmo
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Lindsay Davenport
10. Monica Seles

Mental
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1. Venus Williams
2. Monica Seles
3. Jennifer Capriati
4. Serena Williams
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Lindsay Davenport
7. Martina Hingis
8. Jelena Dokic
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Justine Henin

Versatility
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1. Martina Hingis
2. Amelie Mauresmo
3. Justine Henin
4. Venus Williams
5. Kim Clijsters
6. Lindsay Davenport
7. Serena Williams
8. Jennifer Capriati
9. Monica Seles
10. Jelena Dokic

Intelligence
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1. Martina Hingis
2. Venus Williams
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Monica Seles
5. Serena Williams
6. Jennifer Capriati
7. Amelie Mauresmo
8. Justine Henin
9. Kim Clijsters
10. Jelena Dokic

Consistentcy (groundstrokes)
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1. Serena Williams
2. Lindsay Davenport
3. Venus Williams
4. Martina Hingis
5. Monica Seles
6. Jennifer Capriati
7. Kim Clijsters
8. Justine Henin
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Jelena Dokic

Match Consistentcy
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1. Serena Williams
2. Venus Williams
3. Lindsay Davenport
4. Jennifer Capriati
5. Monica Seles
6. Martina Hingis
7. Kim Clijsters
8. Justine Henin
9. Amelie Mauresmo
10. Jelena Dokic

Average
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1. Venus Williams- 3
1. Serena Williams- 3
3. Lindsay Davenport- 4.6
4. Jennifer Capriati- 5
4. Martina Hingis- 5
6. Monica Seles- 5.7
7. Kim Clijsters- 6
8. Justine Henin- 7
9. Amelie Mauresmo- 7.4
10. Jelena Dokic- 9.1

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HOW COULD YOU SAY VENUS IS MORE POWERFUL THAN SERENA????? It just isn't true. And Martina is 11 not ten, but I will include her anyways.

Power:
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Lindsay
4. Jennifer
5. Monica
6. Kim
7. Jelena
8. Justine
9. Amelie
10. Martina

Speed
1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Kim
4. Jennifer (Very Underrated in this department)
5. Justine
6. Martina
7. Amelie
8. Lindsay
9. Jelena
10. Monica

Mental
1. Monica Seles (no comparision)
2. Venus Williams (stone faced)
3. Jennifer Capriati (Miss Tenatious, except right now )
4. Jelena Dokic (I have to give credit where it is due)
5. Serena Williams (Great improvement, but still not perfect)
6. Martina Hingis (She choked for the first time this year at Oz)
7. Kim Clijsters (The intensity level just isn't there IMHO)
8. Lindsay Davenport (can be great, but is often too hard on herself)
9. Amelie Mauresmo- Used to be by far the worst, but improvements have been made.
10 Justine Henin- A pure basket case. I am not even going to list all of her choking abilities cause I don't have time. And yet she doesn't think anything is wrong with blowing a 6-2; 4-0 lead so she doesn't get help.

Versatility
1. Martina Hingis- untouchable
2. Justine Henin- a magician with the racket
3. Amelie Mauresmo- ditto
4TIE- Serena Williams- great angles, swinging volleys, overheads, and serve variety
4TIE- Kim Clijsters- ditto
6. Lindsay Davenport- Great angles, superb hands
7. Monica- the world's best angles I think
8TIE- Jennifer Capriati- No real variety
8TIE- Venus Williams- ditto
10. Jelena Dokic- at least the previous two can get a volley over the net and in the court!

Accuracy-
1. Martina Hingis
2. Lindsay Davenport
3. Monica Seles
4. Jennifer Capriati
5. Serena Williams (huge HUGE improvement)
6. Jelena Dokic
7TIE- Kim, Amelie- go through clean streaks and error fest streaks
9. Justine Henin- is very consistent on clay, and fairly so on grass, but is horrible indoors and on hard courts
10. Venus Williams- the forehand breaks down too often

Match Consistency- What does this mean??????

Intelligence:
1. Venus Williams- extremely smart. Funny too.
2. Martina Hingis- fiendishly clever
3. Monica Seles- strikes me as a very deep thinker, but somewhat naieve
4. Lindsay Davenport- Very intelligent, great leader.
5. Serena Williams- very smart, though not as much as venus. A very hard worker
6. Kim Clijsters- not smart, not dumb
7. Justine Henin- ditto, but too passive for my liking
8. Jelena Dokic- stereotypical blonde, and a puppet of her father
10. Jennifer Capriati- I love the girl, but I am sorry: she is a complete airhead. Her IQ is probably less than 100. She gives the worst interviews of any athlete, and has no understanding of the world outside tennis admittantly.

NOTE: I have never heard anything Amelie has said that would give me insight into her intelligence.

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Nice, but in too many categories there are few palyers who really have "some of that"
I'll list only top three.

Hey, where's "ability"???
Nobody cares anymore about it?



Power
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1. S.Williams
2. Davenport
3. Capriati

Speed
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1. V.Williams
2. S.Williams


Mental
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1. Capriati


Versatility
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No player today really has got it.
Hingis "might", but she's too weak at serve to be "versatile"


Intelligence
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1. Capriati
2. Seles
3. Hingis


Consistentcy (groundstrokes)
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1. Hingis
2. Capriati
3. Davenport


Match Consistentcy
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1. Seles
2. Hingis
3. Davenport
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Sorry Liuxuan, I think you are biased with Jennifer!!!!!!!!!!!!

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match consistentcy as in they win when they should win

Venus hits the ball harder than serena does and has a bigger serve, but Serena hits with more pace and her serve is more reliable. If they had an arm wrestle match though, Serena would win.

I'm not biased towards Monica, she is heads above heals (ask anyone) stronger mentally than anyone out there. Shes a very smart player (ask Chrisse Evert) which is why she most always does better in the second set after figuring out what works and what doesnt, she most always smacks the lines and she rarely loses to player ranked beneath her (like in 2000 she didnt lose to ANYONE outside of the top 4)
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With Jennifer?
I don't like her that much!
I'm biased towards "good" players, Jennifer is simply "better" (imho) than most of the tops, even if she's not always "stronger".
That's all.
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POWER
1. S. Williams
2. V. Williams
3. Mauresmo
4. Davenport
5. Capriati
6. Clijsters
7. Seles
8. Henin
9. Dokic
10. Hingis

SPEED
1. Clijsters
2. S. Williams
3. Hingis
4. Capriati
5. V. Williams
6. Henin
7. Mauresmo
8. Dokic
9. Davenport
10. Seles

MENTAL

1. Capriati
2. S. Williams
3. Seles
4. V. Williams
5. Clijsters
6. Hingis
7. Henin
8. Mauresmo
9. Davenport
10. Dokic

VERSATILITY

1. Hingis
2. Henin
3. Mauresmo
4. Capriati
5. V. Williams
6. S. Williams
7. Clijsters
8. Seles
9. Davenport
10. Dokic

INTELLIGENCE

1. Hingis
2. Henin
3. Seles
4. Davenport
5. V. Williams
6. Mauresmo
7. S. Williams
8. Capriati
9. Clijsters
10. Dokic

CONSISTENCY

1. Hingis
2. V. Williams
3. S. Williams
4. Davenport
5. Seles
6. Henin
7. Clijsters
8. Mauresmo
9. Capriati
10. Dokic

MATCH CONSISTENCY

1. S. Williams
2. Hingis
3. V. Williams
4. Mauresmo
5. Seles
6. Henin
7. Capriati
8. Davenport
9. Clijsters
10. Dokic

AVERAGE

1. S. Williams (3.14)
2. Hingis (3.43)
3. V. Williams (3.71)
4. Henin (5.14)
5. Mauresmo (5.57)
6. Clijsters (5.71)
7. Capriati (5.86)
8. Henin (6.14)
9. Seles (6.43)
10. Dokic (9.57)
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Power

1. Serena - Princess of Power
2. Venus
3. Lindsay
4. Seles
5. Mauresmo
6. Capriati
7. Clijsters
8. Hantuchova
9. Dokic
10. Henin

Speed

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Clijsters
4. Capriati
5. Henin
6. Mauresmo
7. Dokic
8. Hantuchova
9. Davenport
10. Seles

Mental Toughness

1. Serena
2. Venus
3. Seles
4. Capriati
5. Clijsters
6. Davenport
7. Hantuchova
8. Mauresmo
9. Henin
10. Dokic

Intelligence

1. Venus
2. Serena
3. Davenport
4. Seles
5. Clijsters
6. Henin
7. Hantuchova
8. Mauresmo
9. Capriati
10. Dokic

Versatility

1. Mauresmo
2. Henin
3. Serena
4. Clijsters
5. Venus
6. Capriati
7. Hantuchova
8. Davenport
9. Seles
10. Dokic

Shot Making

1. Serena
2. Davenport
3. Clijsters
4. Venus
5. Seles
6. Hantuchova
7. Dokic
8. Capriati
9. Henin
10. Mauresmo

I only rated those in the top ten.

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Excluding their serves, the Williams sisters don't hit it as hard as most of the top 10.

Lindsay
Monica
Jelena
Kim

hit it harder, and a good case for Daniela, Jen, and Mauresmo could be made.

Anyway, this topic is nice, but time-consuming. I'll try again later.
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Excluding their serves, the Williams sisters don't hit it as hard as most of the top 10.

Lindsay
Monica
Jelena
Kim

hit it harder, and a good case for Daniela, Jen, and Mauresmo could be made.

If your point is they use more topspin than the others then I agree. But Serena can hit that forehand crosscourt like no one ever.

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SERENA PRINCESS OF POWER

Victoria Duval - coming to a slam near you
Françoise Abanda definitely a future #1 --- Taylor Townsend devastation on the march
Venus and Serena ferocious grannies --- Kimiko Date Krumm great granny still doing her thing.
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