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post #1 of 320 (permalink) Old Jul 9th, 2010, 01:57 AM Thread Starter
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This Maria-Serena thing/debate

I just dont get this whole arguement/comparsion that has renuwed since the Wimbledon match. I mean point blank you CANNOT compare a 23 year old with an almost 30 year old who has been on tour for almost 6 years before Maria even appeared.
You cant really base things strcitly off "numbers/stats" because they can be misleading and often not tell the truth(ie Rafa Vs Roge....Rafa OWNES Rog 14-7,thats twice as many wins, yet Obviously Rog is not only the "better" player in comparison and will go down as the possible GOAT. Now considering Rafa may well be the greatest clay court player ever,when you take out the clay matchups which court for 9 of his 14 then their H2H becomes 6-5 for Roger.And you can do the same for countless other figures. The fact the Jelena was a Year End No.1 and can do down in history in an ELITE crowd,yet she still has to win a Major and played but one Final and clearly doesnt belong in that group. Sure the fact doesnt change,she will be forever a YE 1,just like Rafa ownes Rog and Serena ownes Maria, but sometimes stats can be "empty" and they arent the final say.
So If you look at the H2H and really break it down,they are alot more evenly matched than it looks.
6-2:
Miami 04.....Serena wins a somewhat close match against a pre MARIA maria 64,63 Serena 1-0
Wimby 04....Maria comes out and shellshockes Serena 61 64 1-1
then 2 matches that could have went either way....a match that Serena lead 4-0 in final set and lost and then a match that Maria had triple match point and lost
YEC 04... Maria 46 62 64 Maria 2-1
Oz 05....Serena 26 75 86 2-2
then Serena's turn to come out and shell shock Maria
OZ 07....Serena 62 61 Serena 3-2
then the ONE really horrid match, i was there and watched plus even looking at the stats Maria played utter shit and really skewed the H2H
Miami 07......Serena 61 61 Serena 4-2
then another tight match that going by most posters "absurd" reasoning maria should have won as she had sets points in set 1 and then won set 2
Charleston 08.....Serena 75 46 61 Serena 5-2
Wimby 10....Maria despite not playing well(twice as many errors) still put up a great fight against "slam" Serena, held 3 set points and the only difference of the match being 9 points and one single break of serve. Serena 76(8) 64 Serena 6-2

Bottom line,you cant evenly and fairly compare the two. Sure they have history and a h2h but it ends there(and even that isnt fully accurate). So for the sake of all the fighting going back and forth can you guys atleast leave it to be about individual matches and scores etc

BTW i love the people who have replied and STILL DONT GET IT,im only to page 3 and its lmfao u morons....its like you try and make me look dumb when u all are the idiots. Anways MY POINT was, how and why are these two players constantly put up against one another??? Maria is only 23 you cant even compare the two.....a better comparison would be what Maria has achieved by her 23rd year of life and what Serena has achieved by hers......do so and i guarantee that things are alot more even!!!

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Re: This Maria-Serena thing/debate

Then why are you still talking about it? Move on honey.
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Re: This Maria-Serena thing/debate

But Serena > Maria
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The post-Wimbledon, European clay season is terrible.
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*sigh*

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There should be no debate? Serena is better player in all regards. Sharapova is just another ball basher who succeeded because of her superior mental strength, not tennis talent.
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You shoud not have created a thread, you are only prolonging the debate you are trying to avoid.
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I'm still trying to figure out the point of this thread


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I'm still trying to figure out the point of this thread
I don't think the author of the thread knows

S/he just thinking out loud. S/he had not completed the thinking process the thread was created.
Let's us him/her complete the process and reach the only logical conclusion of closing the thread
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To sum it all up, Maria has not beaten Serena in SIX years, nuff said.
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Re: This Maria-Serena thing/debate

24 year old and 30 year old?? did they get that old?

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24 year old and 30 year old?? did they get that old?
Well, maybe MakarovaFan want to fast-forward their lives so that these kind of discussion become obsolete soon.
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And????

US Open series please...

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Hope this helps :

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Re: This Maria-Serena thing/debate

I dont really get it myself. There should be no debate.

Serena Williams >> Maria Sharapova
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