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Slams at given age- Chris, Martina, Serena

Serena's prognosis is not that bad based on the comparison to Martina and Chris. She had very good start to her career- like Chris, and is trending steeply in her later years- like Martina.

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Re: Slams at given age- Chris, Martina, Serena

Great chart! My first thought was she has no chance, she's too old, but she might be able to. Twice now Roland Garros has been handed to her on a plate and she's blown it, but 5 in 5 years is doable.

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I think when it is all said and done, she will surpass Chris and Martina. But my biggest hope is that she surpasses Steffi. 9 Slams in 5 years to tie her is not soO out of reach. Thats 2 a year. And we all know that she is always a favorite 3 out of the 4 slams, and when shes learned her past mistakes at Roland Garros, she might add atleast 1 or 2 more. But if you think about, if she never wins another Roland Garros title, one of the many probablities of her other titles to reach Steffi would be:

Aussie 7 titles
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Wimbledon 7 titles
US OPen 7 Titles

Of course you can mix and match all the numbers, but can you just imagine if she achieves these kinds of numbers? I cheer Serena for the player that she is, and what shes already accomplished, and also for the historical legacy she may achieve. Respect.
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It would be interesting to see if Serena maintains this level of focus, intensity, and fitness, though. I thin this current level is a mixture of her blunder in RG, the return of 2 of her main rivals, and a few things going on in her personal life. The least bit of complaceny, especially on hard courts, could spell trouble for any of the top players.

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Good job. It would be nice to see graphs for Graf, Seles, etc.

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Good job. It would be nice to see graphs for Graf, Seles, etc.
Or BJK and Court.
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Good job. It would be nice to see graphs for Graf, Seles, etc.
It gets a bit crowded, but you should see the trends. Monica started out every bit as impressive as Steffi.


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Thanks. I'm pretty sure you made a mistake with Monica though? She won her first slam at 16, and the stabbing occurred when she was 19.

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Wow, great work! Maybe it's not so far fetched for Serena to reach Martina and Chris after all...but honestly I think that even if she were to not win another Slam, she'd be happy where she's at. And I loved what she said about BJK...BJ told her to pass her, and Serena said that's what she wants to do for the next great champion - okay you go farther than I did. How cool would it be to have Serena Williams pushing you to be greater than she is!? A champion for sure.

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Thanks. I'm pretty sure you made a mistake with Monica though? She won her first slam at 16, and the stabbing occurred when she was 19.
Yes, I shifted one year on the spreadsheet. she was 16.5 not 17.5 when she won her first slam. I'll fix it.


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Re: Slams at given age- Chris, Martina, Serena

Seles has the highest "peaks" from 16-19 and after that it's over (flat) like dying heart signal and then cut short. People who don't know her will ask what happened looking at this chart.

Evert has the most balanced and consistent career despite being bullied by Navratilova in early 80's. Her "peaks" and "valleys" are well balanced.

Navratilova was very impressive to be able to catch up with Chrissie. She peaked significantly from 25-29.

Graf was simply the most dominant throughout her career. A lot of high "peaks" but still a bit bothered by her relatively small "valleys".

Serena's chart looks strange as if she's lazy and suddenly turns on before it's too late.
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I think when it is all said and done, she will surpass Chris and Martina.
I wouldn't be so sure. Most tennis greats peak at their late 20s. And look what's happening to Federer, same age as Serena. It would be great to see Serena join Martina and Chris though. It's feasible but she's definitely in a race against time.
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Re: Slams at given age- Chris, Martina, Serena

Its such a damn shame about that stabbing. Monica really was gonna be such a force!!
But all those graphs are really impressive
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Serena's chart looks strange as if she's lazy and suddenly turns on before it's too late.
Serena LIVED her life while playing tennis, plus she had to deal with injuries, surgery and the tragic death of her sister. Considering all these factors, I think it is even more remarkable that she has achieved such success even though she was not as myopic as the rest.

Anyway for me 18 total is the "ligitimate" benchmark because if Chris and Martina were "true" rivals. After Seles got stabbed everything was just smooth sailing for Steffi without any true rival. It was like Federer without Nadal.

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Serena LIVED her life while playing tennis, plus she had to deal with injuries, surgery and the tragic death of her sister. Considering all these factors, I think it is even more remarkable that she has achieved such success even though she was not as myopic as the rest.

Anyway for me 18 total is the "ligitimate" benchmark because if Chris and Martina were "true" rivals. After Seles got stabbed everything was just smooth sailing for Steffi without any true rival. It was like Federer without Nadal.

Tennis is not for the swift but for those who endure to the end. If Serena endures she will make it without a doubt.
Couldn't it also be said that Serena right now is like Federer without a Nadal?

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