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is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

There is one thing everybody would agree on is that she is serving great even bette than what she did in Doha last year.. So is she in her best form?
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Re: is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

Nope, she may serve better and is smarter but 2002 Serena was the best that has ever been as far as level.

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Re: is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

2002-2003 ---> Serena Slam
2009-2010 ---> No Serena Slam

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Re: is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

Physically/athletically, no. But, game-wise, I'd say yes. She's a much smarter player nowadays and has more variety.
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Re: is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

Hell no

Watch some of her USO 2002 match and you'll see what I'm talking about!

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Re: is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

2009-2010 Serena is excellent.

2002-2003 Serena is just plain scary.

So no.

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Different players...Serena '02-'03, ONLY place you had any hope was on clay and even thennn still needed some help to beat her. She was unplayable and brought it everywhere.

Nowadays she's vulnerable in the lesser events and of course on clay. But she's smarter and more resourceful now at the majors. She adapted her game to the fact that she no longer is as athletic as she used to be. Now she only brings it for the truly important games/ points.

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Hell no

Watch some of her USO 2002 match and you'll see what I'm talking about!
For me 2002 Wimbledon was awesome her greatest level ever!

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Nope serena 2002 was too scary..


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There is one thing everybody would agree on is that she is serving great even bette than what she did in Doha last year.. So is she in her best form?
A good question, givven Serena won five of eight slams in 2002-2003, and she's won five of the last eight now.

Serena in 2002 was a better tennis player. Serena in 2010 is a better player of the game of tennis, in the way that tennis is like a chess game. Her decision-making is better. Her understanding of the important points of the match is better. Her use of the variety of her serves is better.

But in 2002 she was faster, her endurance was better, and frankly, she powered her way through her own mistakes. Serena won matches with 50 and 60 UEs. With -10 winner-to-UE ratios. Now look at Serena's match against Sharapova in this year's Wimbledon, which was by far he toughest match. 31 winners, 17 UEs. And that's with 19 aces. Do the math. On grass, against a not-that-fast player, Serena had 12 non-ace winners, and 17 UEs. That's NOT TRYING to blast your opponent off the court.

She's a very different player now. In baseball terms, she's a pitcher now, whereas she used to be a thrower.

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That's it Volcana..that's the evolution. She's playing it smarter right now, pacing herself. But the clutchness, competitive spirit, mental strength...are all still as great as ever and then you get a player who's MONEY at the msjors.

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Re: is serena now a better player than the time when she won the serena slam?

I agree with the general sentiment in this thread that Serena's a smarter player of the game now than in 2002. In 2002-03 her serve was strong but her ground-stroking made her unplayable. Her movement must have made several Olympic athletes nod in acknowledgement. And she managed her Winner/UE ratio much like Steffi did at her peak: knowing that she could count on making enough (supposedly) low percentage shots.

Now she's a better manager of her form. This includes being much more adept at working the nuances of her serve, her ground strokes, the physical court and the mental terrain of a given game, set and match. But she is also better at recognizing which of her strokes are working, which aren't and figuring out how to minimize the day's weaknesses (while emphasizing her opponent's).

Which version of Serena is better? I think this version may end up with a higher slam-winning rate. As Volcana says: it's currently 5 of 8 in both periods.

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BS...YES she's a better player than she was, even in that mythical '02-03.

True she's lost that pure agressiveness in her game, not as dynamic and tenacious, and willing to fight for every point, but we have to look at what she gained in it's place. Her serve was NOWHERE it is now, as it has fully matured. Of course it was always a great weapon, now it has reached it's full potential.

Also though she has definitely slowed down, and lost some of her explosiveness in her footwork...let's be honest, her footwork has always been kind of Wonky, and awkward!! Because she can't run down every ball, and send it back for a clean winner like she once did, instead she's learned to play a lot smarter in constructing points, playing the percentages and thereby conserving energy. But with all that being said, for the most part when she needs to be firing on all cylinders, and positively stingy on the court, the' Old Serena' does make an appearence!!

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Movement wise Serena was a lot better in 2002-2003. With that said I don't think Serena is at the level movement wise since she had surgery in 2003. If Serena was playing the way she did in 2002 at Wimbledon 2004 Maria would be Wimbledonless today or even Slamless.
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BS...YES she's a better player than she was, even in that mythical '02-03.

True she's lost that pure agressiveness in her game, not as dynamic and tenacious, and willing to fight for every point, but we have to look at what she gained in it's place. Her serve was NOWHERE it is now, as it has fully matured. Of course it was always a great weapon, now it has reached it's full potential.

Also though she has definitely slowed down, and lost some of her explosiveness in her footwork...let's be honest, her footwork has always been kind of Wonky, and awkward!! Because she can't run down every ball, and send it back for a clean winner like she once did, instead she's learned to play a lot smarter in constructing points, playing the percentages and thereby conserving energy. But with all that being said, for the most part when she needs to be firing on all cylinders, and positively stingy on the court, the' Old Serena' does make an appearence!!
Exactly...her Sf was a prime example. She weathered the storm of Petra at first and then figured out that the forehand of Petra was breaking down..voila: all balls to Petra and that give her the match.

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