Enforcing the rules of tennis.............. - TennisForum.com
Reply
 
LinkBack Thread Tools
post #1 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:11 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

I was having a discussion with a friend a several hours ago and we were talking about the rules of tennis. He was still complaining about the foot fault that was called on Serena at the US Open last year that caused all hell to break loose.

Leaving Serena's reaction aside he was saying that you just don't call a foot fault at that stage of the match. I believe tha Johnny Mac said much the same thing when it happened. But if a player commits a foot fault how is it fair to to opponent to not call it? After all it can mean a point for the opponent. If a rule is there should it or should it not be enforced? As an aside, I wonder when/if there will be cameras on the lines so that we can really see if a foot fault actually occured.

But let's say that we are for the enforcing the full letter of the "law". We all know that practically nobody abides by the 20 second rule for serving after a point is played. Why shouldn't that be enforced to the letter of the "law"?

The no coaching rule is very rarely enforced. But then again what constitutes coaching? If a fan yells out, "serve into his/her body more" is that coaching?

If rules are not going to be enforced all the time should they be dispensed with altogether?

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare
HippityHop is offline  
Sponsored Links
Advertisement
 
post #2 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:15 AM
Senior Member
 
mdterp01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 14,387
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by HippityHop View Post
The no coaching rule is very rarely enforced. But then again what constitutes coaching?
<------Exhibit A

WTA=WILLIAMS TENNIS ASSOCIATION
Venus Williams Wimbledon Champion (00,01,05,07,08)
US Open Champion (00,01)

Serena Williams Australian Open Champion (03,05,07,09,10,15)
French Open Champion (02,13,15)
Wimbledon Champion (02,03,09,10,12,15)
US Open Champion (99,02,08,12,13,14)

Last edited by mdterp01; Jul 2nd, 2010 at 06:09 AM.
mdterp01 is offline  
post #3 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:47 AM
.
 
Vartan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2009
Posts: 10,331
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdterp01 View Post
<------Exhibit A






Vartan is offline  
post #4 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:50 AM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdterp01 View Post
<------Exhibit A
Dead, creamated, reincarnated and dead again.

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare
HippityHop is offline  
post #5 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 05:58 AM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2002
Location: Impel Down
Posts: 191
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by mdterp01 View Post
<------Exhibit A
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6V1Ym...eature=related

Last edited by omoruyi; Jul 2nd, 2010 at 06:05 AM.
omoruyi is offline  
post #6 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 02:51 PM
Senior Member
 
mdterp01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2007
Posts: 14,387
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

To the OP though...I do agree that they need to do a better enforcement of the rules. If its a rule then its a rule. Sometimes its just too blatant.

WTA=WILLIAMS TENNIS ASSOCIATION
Venus Williams Wimbledon Champion (00,01,05,07,08)
US Open Champion (00,01)

Serena Williams Australian Open Champion (03,05,07,09,10,15)
French Open Champion (02,13,15)
Wimbledon Champion (02,03,09,10,12,15)
US Open Champion (99,02,08,12,13,14)
mdterp01 is offline  
post #7 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 02:57 PM
country flag SVK
-LIFETIME MEMBER-
 
SVK's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2008
Posts: 27,877
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Foot fault is just foot fault and It doesnīt matter if there is a match point in Grandslam tournament or 1st point of 1st Q round in 10k challenger...thatīs something like...oh, itīs SF of WCH in football so we just canīt call an offside 5 minutes before the end when itīs 2:2 and have a clear chance to 3:2..thatīs stupid...IF Serena had a foot fault then it SHOULD be called...other thing is if she really footfaulted

The same with coaching...If itīs banned then itīs banned and the players should respect it...also the same with this time rule before serving, yeah also my one of the biggest fave Hantuchova should be many times penalized for this, and it doesnīt matter how score itīs...Rules are rules and they just should be followed
SVK is offline  
post #8 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 02:59 PM
bans for poster insolence
 
duhcity's Avatar
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Posts: 9,913
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

JMac only said that because he always thought he was above the rules.

I don't care if you're in the 5th set down 70-71 MP and you footfault. If you do, you lose that serve. If it's a second, you lose the match. Really.

duhcity is offline  
post #9 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 03:46 PM
Senior Member
 
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 1,823
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

I think the real reason there was so much drama and discussion is because Serena has gotten horrendous calls at the US Open in the past, and EVERYONE acknowledges "shot spot" was really given momemtum as a DIRECT result of Serena's bad calls at the Open.
To top it off, the "foot fault" has never been proven.
There is NO film ANYWHERE from ANY angle that showed a clear foot fault.
Yonexforever is offline  
post #10 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 03:53 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonexforever View Post
I think the real reason there was so much drama and discussion is because Serena has gotten horrendous calls at the US Open in the past, and EVERYONE acknowledges "shot spot" was really given momemtum as a DIRECT result of Serena's bad calls at the Open.
To top it off, the "foot fault" has never been proven.There is NO film ANYWHERE from ANY angle that showed a clear foot fault.
I agree with you on that which is why I wondered if eventually there will be cameras situated to challenge foot faults. After all a foot fault on second serve can cost the server a point and if a regular fault can be challenged in that situation, why not a foot fault?

But my question is really bigger than that particular instance. I'll bet that if an umpire put a stop watch on players and started enforcing the 20 second rule to the letter of the law they will change it in a hurry. Of course they couldn't get rid of it completely because some folks would never serve. However perhaps it should be changed to 30 seconds. Hell some players bounce the ball for 20 seconds.

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare
HippityHop is offline  
post #11 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:00 PM
Senior Member
 
azmad_88's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Kuala Lumpur,Malaysia
Posts: 23,451
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

i think they should do away with let during serves... they play let during points..why bother replaying point when serving..thats just my opinion

Serena Williams
Vera Zvonareva
Ana Ivanovic


Petra Kvitova - Svetlana Kuznetsova - Li Na - Sloane Stephens - Madison Keys

Will Always Love Kim Clijsters and Elena Dementieva
azmad_88 is offline  
post #12 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:03 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by azmad_88 View Post
i think they should do away with let during serves... they play let during points..why bother replaying point when serving..thats just my opinion
I think that makes a lot of sense. Martina N. said that it's impossible for a player to deliberately use the let to win a point. And she's right. All lets are a matter of luck. I don't see anybody being able to pinpoint their serve so that it just ticks the top of the net on purpose.

EDIT: And if it's time that they're worried about, playing the lets on serve and adding another 10 seconds to the time between the end of a point and the next serve would speed the game up. After all how many times do we see three or four lets in a row and then "first service" from the umpire? I think it would even out.

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare

Last edited by HippityHop; Jul 2nd, 2010 at 04:08 PM.
HippityHop is offline  
post #13 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:08 PM
Senior Member
 
twight6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Location: home sweet home
Posts: 14,275
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by Yonexforever View Post
I think the real reason there was so much drama and discussion is because Serena has gotten horrendous calls at the US Open in the past, and EVERYONE acknowledges "shot spot" was really given momemtum as a DIRECT result of Serena's bad calls at the Open.
To top it off, the "foot fault" has never been proven.
There is NO film ANYWHERE from ANY angle that showed a clear foot fault.
There also wasn't any footage showing it wasn't a foot fault. Therefore, plain and simply, it WAS a foot fault. It was called as one, therefore remains a foot fault.

I used to list my favorite tennis players here...
...then they all retired.
I used to keep track of my rankings in fantasy games here...
...then I realized how much I suck.
I used to update this signature, once in a while...
...then I realized no one actually reads it.
twight6 is offline  
post #14 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:09 PM
Senior Member
 
sammy01's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2007
Location: England
Posts: 25,413
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by Anthony. View Post
JMac only said that because he always thought he was above the rules.

I don't care if you're in the 5th set down 70-71 MP and you footfault. If you do, you lose that serve. If it's a second, you lose the match. Really.
this and this. jmac has a horrible sense of entitlement when it comes to tennis and he deliberately tries to be contriversial as hes built his career on that and it still makes him money.

a foot fault is a foot fault and should be called at any time, and for all those who say prove it was a foot fault, i say prove it wasn't, my proof is a professionally trained linesperson called it, what you got?

Anna Chakvetadze Rules

Kim Clijsters - Supporting the comeback!

I have no other faves, I just hate
sammy01 is offline  
post #15 of 50 (permalink) Old Jul 2nd, 2010, 04:12 PM Thread Starter
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2004
Posts: 9,433
                     
Re: Enforcing the rules of tennis..............

Quote:
Originally Posted by sammy01 View Post
this and this. jmac has a horrible sense of entitlement when it comes to tennis and he deliberately tries to be contriversial as hes built his career on that and it still makes him money.

a foot fault is a foot fault and should be called at any time, and for all those who say prove it was a foot fault, i say prove it wasn't, my proof is a professionally trained linesperson called it, what you got?
I'm not arguing the call though I wouldn't be surprised if cameras are eventually put in. Of course we all know that the reason the challenge system is in now is because Serena was so blatantly robbed.

Do you think that the 20 second rule should be strictly enforced since you are such a stickler for the rules? After all it's the rule that is most often violated by most players.

For Dante, it follows then, that the only way to get into Hell is to insist upon it. One must deliberately exclude himself from grace by hardening his heart against it. Hell is what the damned have actively and insistently wished for.

The man that hath no music in himself, nor is not moved with concord of sweet sounds is fit for treasons, stratagems and spoils. The motions of his spirit are dull as night and his affections dark as Erebus. Let no such man be trusted. Shakespeare
HippityHop is offline  
Reply

Quick Reply
Message:
Options

Register Now



In order to be able to post messages on the TennisForum.com forums, you must first register.
Please enter your desired user name, your email address and other required details in the form below.

User Name:
Password
Please enter a password for your user account. Note that passwords are case-sensitive.

Password:


Confirm Password:
Email Address
Please enter a valid email address for yourself.

Email Address:
OR

Log-in









Human Verification

In order to verify that you are a human and not a spam bot, please enter the answer into the following box below based on the instructions contained in the graphic.



Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Show Printable Version
Email this Page Email this Page



Posting Rules  
You may not post new threads
You may post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are On
Pingbacks are On
Refbacks are On

 
For the best viewing experience please update your browser to Google Chrome