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Sobering Statistics about young WTA players

No active woman born after 1987 has finished two consecutive seasons in the top ten, and no active woman born after 1987 has reached more than one grand slam semi-final.
In the open era, has there ever been such a dearth of talented MIDDLE AGE players? I mean, Sharapova is old by historical tennis standards, and she's the youngest multiple slam winner on tour. Ivanovic, at age 22.5, is the youngest slam winner period.

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"No active woman born after 1987 has finished two consecutive seasons in the top ten"

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So what ? What's a big deal about this ? I'd rather have them peak at the age of 25-26 than 18.
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I think what's lacking with the new generation of players (born after 1987), is that they lack the requisite mental toughness that the champions (born prior to 1987) have. A lot of them have the weapons and physical tools and skills to win slams, but not the mental fortitude to see it through with any consistency.

Maybe it's the increased environmental pollution after 1987? Messed with their brains, or something. I don't know.
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Re: Sobering Statistics about young WTA players

Radwanska finished 2008 and 2009 in the top 10. Furthermore I think in current coonditions it will take longer time for young players to peak; perhaps between 22-25.

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I think what's lacking with the new generation of players (born after 1987), is that they lack the requisite mental toughness that the champions (born prior to 1987) have. A lot of them have the weapons and physical tools and skills to win slams, but not the mental fortitude to see it through with any consistency.

Maybe it's the increased environmental pollution after 1987? Messed with their brains, or something. I don't know.
And the one youngster, Wozniacki, who has the mental toughness of a slam champion, doesn't seem to have a big enough game.

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I do think some of it is that the younger players don't get to play as much while their 16 and 17.

Also, with the fitness regimes they're own, you've got "old" ladies like Venus, Dementieva, Frannie etc. playing into what was, not all THAT long ago retirement age. Also, the increased prize money means that a lot of mid-level women who hovered in the bottom 60-120 can now play for a decade--something only highly ranked players could do in the past. All of which makes it harder for young players to break through and be consistent.

Those conditions have always been more prevelant on the men's tour. It will be interesting to see if the women adjust, or if this really is the ugly future of the ladies' game.

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No active woman born after 1987 has finished two consecutive seasons in the top ten
Wrong. Radwańska did.
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So what ? What's a big deal about this ? I'd rather have them peak at the age of 25-26 than 18.
The thing is, not everybody peaks at the same age.
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It might also be parallel with the disappearance of good coaches--many of the guys who were around for "the glory days" are either retired or on the men's tour, and the current crop are either working as a coaching "team" for apparel companies or--with few exceptions--are staggeringly ineffective. (One could make the case that the players make the coaches, rather than vice versa; while this is certainly somewhat true, it's hardly the norm.)

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The thing is, not everybody peaks at the same age.
I'm hoping one of them peaks at 28 or 29. Maybe 30.

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Re: Sobering Statistics about young WTA players

Before Steffi Graf wins wins career first GS title in 1987, youngest GS winner was about 25y old (Austin/Mandlikova), thanks to Navratilova/Evert total domination (five years in the row 1982-1986 this two won all slams except one ). So Ana Ivanovic today is (I think) 2nd oldest ever Youngest Player which won GS, and at last seasons USO before Wozniacki reach final, Ana Ivanovic played like 2nd oldest ever (almost 22yo) "Youngest player which reach GS final" (about 5 months younger than Sukova at RG/87).

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)
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Say what? Austin was a few months shy of 17 when she won her first US Open. Mandlikova won her first AO at 18.

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It just means that the peak age is getting older, it's now about 20-22. The game's changed. Hopefully it means fewer burnouts.



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No active woman born after 1987 has finished two consecutive seasons in the top ten, and no active woman born after 1987 has reached more than one grand slam semi-final.
In the open era, has there ever been such a dearth of talented MIDDLE AGE players? I mean, Sharapova is old by historical tennis standards, and she's the youngest multiple slam winner on tour. Ivanovic, at age 22.5, is the youngest slam winner period.
People need to wake up... YOUTH is NO LONGER the key to winning in tennis. It's happening to both men's and women's tennis.

Players are peaking later and later in their careers. What's 'retirement' age 10 years ago is the best time to be playing tennis now.

Better fitness regimes, strength, hitting power and mental toughness are making the 25 yr olds the champs. The 18 yr olds just can't cut it with their weak serves and groundstrokes. Hingis could get away with less power in the 90s but not on today's tour.

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