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From "deep shadow" to "overshadow"

There is very interesting current phenom in WTA that in several countries players which is in deep shadow of theirs much "more promising" compatriots in early phase of career or in last couple years in the row, now totally overshadowing "bigger prospects".

Kvitova - Vaidisova
Pironkova - Karantantcheva*
Jankovic - Ivanovic
Zvonareva - several others RUS
Stosur - Dokic/Molik
Schiavone - Pennetta
Rezai - Golovin/Cornet
Wickmayer - Flipkens
Dulgheru - Olaru
MJMS - Medina
Petkovic - Groenefeld
Shvedova* - Vesnina
Kleybanova - Chakvetadze
...etc...etc...

Of course in past we also have similar examples but never even close that often like today. Almost for every country with WTA TOP100 player we will find some pair these days

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)
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Re: From "deep shadow" to "overshadow"

Well, I can see your point (for once) but..

It's not that hard to overshadow Flipkens, Olaru and semi-retired players.Plus, Shvedova isn't overshadowing Vesnina, not really.

And Pironkova and Schiavone overshadowed their countrywomen like 2 weeks ago.

But you're saying the truth with Rezai and Stosur.
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Re: From "deep shadow" to "overshadow"

Dulgheru-Cirstea even better
and probably
Petkovic-Lisicki (due to Lisicki's injury, but still)

for Russians I'd pick Kulikova (if only she didn't get injured in every 2nd match).
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It's not that hard to overshadow Flipkens, Olaru and semi-retired players.Plus, Shvedova isn't overshadowing Vesnina, not really.
Flipkens is former #1 in juniors (with similar impressive juniors achievements with famous countrywomens Henin and Clijsters) and since 2002 there is big expectations for her to be next Belgian real deal, or next Belgian TOP10 (or at least TOP20), but than last season Yanina Wickmayer going from nowhere and doing everything which experts expect from Flipkens.

1989-born Olaru is noted like big prospect of worlds tennis, and she finished 2007 around #50 (for example currently best ranked 1992 girl is not even TOP150), and two years OLDER Dulgheru was totally unknown and till may of 2009 she never reach TOP200... but look now where is Dulgharu (seeded at Wimbledon) and (no)where is former biggest Romanian hope Olaru (before 2009 always compared only with Cirstea).


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Dulgheru-Cirstea even better
and probably
Petkovic-Lisicki (due to Lisicki's injury, but still)

for Russians I'd pick Kulikova (if only she didn't get injured in every 2nd match).
Just for overtaking at WTA list is for sure not enough to say that one player overshadow other, and You take two bad examples, because in terms of expectations Dulgheru is still in deep shadow of last season RG quarterfinalist 1990-born young Cirstea, and similar case is between Lisicki and Petkovic. For Kulikova is too early to say that she already overshadow some of her famous compatriots, but very soon it will be case with some of semi-famous young (1986+) Russians with big expectations in past, like for example Douchevina or Vesnina (if they continued with stagnation and Regina with such big improvement).

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)
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Flipkens is former #1 in juniors (with similar impressive juniors achievements with famous countrywomens Henin and Clijsters) and since 2002 there is big expectations for her to be next Belgian real deal, or next Belgian TOP10 (or at least TOP20), but than last season Yanina Wickmayer going from nowhere and doing everything which experts expect from Flipkens.
let me stop you right there. flipkens has never been thought of the new kim or justine (or even top-20). she got to nr1 in juniors at an age of 18. kim and justine were playing slam finals at that age (and not in juniors...).top-100, yes. top-50? maybe.
yanina is like 4 years younger than kirsten so you really cannot compare. and she has never been in kirsten's shadow
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let me stop you right there. flipkens has never been thought of the new kim or justine (or even top-20). she got to nr1 in juniors at an age of 18. kim and justine were playing slam finals at that age (and not in juniors...).top-100, yes. top-50? maybe.
yanina is like 4 years younger than kirsten so you really cannot compare. and she has never been in kirsten's shadow
At ages of 17 1986-born Flipkens reach juniors#1 and won jr-Wimbledon/03 and jr-USO/03 back to back, and of course she is big worlds (not only Belgian) WTA hope in that time. But in seniors 1989-born Yanina achieve what everyone expected from Flipkens. Before 12 months she is still more ITF than WTA player, but than she become 3rd Belgian good player, even reach TOP15 and GS SF.

BTW I think Wickmayer is from Flemish part of Belgium, so maybe much better comparison for this Deep_Shadow/Overshadowing subject is Benelux regional case between Yanina and 1989 also born Dutch player Michaela Krajicek which reach career first GS QF and GS-seed status (TOP32) already at 18 in 2007 (who knows in that time about Yanina?), but look now at Wickmayer and at Krajicek from 2010 perspective.

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)
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Re: From "deep shadow" to "overshadow"

It's now hard to make out if you consider overshadowing based on the achievements or based on someone's expectations?

I still think Dulgheru is overshadowing Cirstea now. Cirstea had one good run at RG, Dulgheru has had 2 (Warsaw titles), and she's still in the picture, whereas Cirstea is struggling. Cirstea's just more popular than Dulgheru.
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Re: From "deep shadow" to "overshadow"

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A.Radwanska-M.Domachowska
Radwanska is simple younger, but she's been always superior compared with Marta in terms of achievements and expectations.
There is rumors that Angelique Kerber (Polish origins) will compete for Poland since next season, so Kerber-Domachowska will be another example of this phenom (Polish version).

and I'm not even fan of Ana Ivanovic... just an objective observer who realize how perfect she is

AMAZING BELGRADE MIRACLE: In just three years (2008-2011) 5 different players born in same city reach world #1 in rankings and several GS titles and finals (WTA singles: Ana Ivanovic and Jelena Jankovic, ATP singles: Novak Djokovic, ATP doubles: Nenad Zimonjic and Daniel Nestor... with notable performances of Bojana Jovanovski, Janko Tipsarevic and Viktor Troicki which is also all three born in Belgrade)
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