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2010 Wimbledon is just a preview of the next generation of grass tennis.

Almost every young player interviewed Wimbledon play their first match on grass well into their junior career; few of them actually like to play on the surface.

The only player of the next generation who is semi-competent on the surface is Radwanska, but she can't be an anchor at Wimbledon due to her vulnerability to an inspire explosive hitter.

Do you think this will hurt the legacy of Wimbledon when it goes from the most predictable, exclusive, and dominated slam on the women's side to the most open and random?
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Do not discount Petra Kvitova, I strongly believe that she will reach the semifinals or better of another grand slam. Bepa has shown in the past her potential, who knows she could have another couple of semi's left in her (why is she falling outa the top 10 if she looses tomorrow ). I'm... indifferent about Pironkova, shes good but lacks a bit of passion on the court. And Serena... as much as I hate to admit it, she is a champion in her own right.

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Almost every young player interviewed Wimbledon play their first match on grass well into their junior career; few of them actually like to play on the surface.
+ there isn't a single grasscourt in several, if not most, continental European countries.

I wouldn't go as far as calling grasscourt tennis an Anglo eccentricity, but...

Most young players have thus no idea about how to play (and above all how to move) on grass, so they are forced to improvise. A few do well, most don't. In previous seasons, several Generation Suckers effectively took the grasscourt season off for a vacation. This season not as much, since several players have began to notice the ineptness of the Tour as a whole on grass, understood that as being a window of opportunity, and showed up ready to take advantage of the inevitable falling apart of draws.

And yes, like you said, the amusingly random results that we're going to get at the English Open 3-4 years from now are going to deal a serious blow to its prestige.

I also believe that the English Open will be forced to switch surfaces within the lifetimes of most TF posters, since there seems to be no chance of a proper grasscourt season being included in the ATP/WTA schedule.

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Wimbledon to become Roland Garros-like after the Williams sisters retire.
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Will people ever stop whining about this crap
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+ there isn't a single grasscourt in several, if not most, continental European countries.
Yes, Pironkova said that as well as Kanepi.


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Most young players have thus no idea about how to play (and above all how to move) on grass, so they are forced to improvise. A few do well, most don't.
There really isn't an emerging star right now who you could say is good on grass.


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and showed up ready to take advantage of the inevitable falling apart of draws.
Which basically is this draw only Serena is retired and it is another mid-ranked random player who ushered out a top 5 player.


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And yes, like you said, the amusingly random results that we're going to get at the English Open 3-4 years from now are going to deal a serious blow to its prestige.
It is a real serious issue. More than people are willing to recognize or acknowledge. The most common tangent of the greatest of champions is Wimbledon. Then the winners' circle is going to be reduced to a wheel of fortune year after year.

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I also believe that the English Open will be forced to switch surfaces within the lifetimes of most TF posters, since there seems to be no chance of a proper grasscourt season being included in the ATP/WTA schedule.
I don't think Wimbledon will ever change its surface. I think they would simply continue to hold the event as grass and deal with the shitty consequences each year. They continue to add more clay events to the calendar like this string of MM tournaments built for players to inflate their rankings instead of fixing the calendar.

I have hope that with their backs against the wall that they will finally make the appropriate changes to the grass season in the next 5 years or so.
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There really isn't an emerging star right now who you could say is good on grass.
There isn't an emerging star right now, period.

We'll see what the future holds. Wimbledon won't ever change its surface, ever, and you're right in saying that the grass season is just too short for anybody to even develop a grasscourt game.

And grass courts are rare in any country. There seems to be some misconception that Britain is full of them but i've travelled all around England playing tournaments in the past and i've probably seen about 5 clubs with proper grasscourts. Players just need time to develop their game and feel comfortable on the grass, i mean look at Pironkova - she finally breaks through and has a chance to play a few matches and her grasscourt game is improving so much with every single match.
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The problem is that girls don't know how to SERVE anymore. That's the whole thing....

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The problem is that girls don't know how to SERVE anymore. That's the whole thing....
Women never knew how to serve except a select few.

If you look at the greatest of greats, with Evert being the abnormality, Navratilova, Graf, Court, King, Serena all were the top serves of their generation. It isn't a coincidence.
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There isn't an emerging star right now, period.

We'll see what the future holds. Wimbledon won't ever change its surface, ever, and you're right in saying that the grass season is just too short for anybody to even develop a grasscourt game.

And grass courts are rare in any country. There seems to be some misconception that Britain is full of them but i've travelled all around England playing tournaments in the past and i've probably seen about 5 clubs with proper grasscourts. Players just need time to develop their game and feel comfortable on the grass, i mean look at Pironkova - she finally breaks through and has a chance to play a few matches and her grasscourt game is improving so much with every single match.
this. the club i help run had 3 grass courts untill 3 years ago as the upkeep and cost (£3,500 a year to maintain them) was just far too much to justify courts that could only be used from may till late september.

grass courts even in the uk are a dying thing, they are not practical to coach on due to indifferent bounces, cant be played on for hours after rain and are only useable for a few months a year.

it is no wonder none of the girls have a clue how to play on grass, it is just not viable to learn to play on these days.

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Women never knew how to serve except a select few.

If you look at the greatest of greats, with Evert being the abnormality, Navratilova, Graf, Court, King, Serena all were the top serves of their generation. It isn't a coincidence.
Lots of Wimbledons there...just goes to show.

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Okay, it is true that the fact that the grass season lasts just 4 weeks a year makes it something of an anomaly. It would be great if the LTA would put back Wimbledon just one week. I think that would make a big difference. It is also that a lot of players don't really know how to play on grass as well as they could and the fact that there are so few grass courts around the world doesn't help.

But for all that I do think this thread is way OTT in terms of its doomsayer predictions. Wimbledon is Wimbledon. It doesn't need stars to win it's tournament. It makes stars of those who win it. Wimbledon is bigger than any of the players who compete here. And for all the griping about the big names dropping out early there has been some great tennis played here this year as always. Having attended 5 days this year I have to say I was thoroughly entertained. I saw Tsvetana Pironkova beat Bartoli and it was clear to me then that she would give Venus a tough match. She is playing great and deserves her place in the Semis.

Suggestions that Pironkova's run and/or Kvitova's run are flukes are totally lacking in foresight. Let us see how they do after this, not over the next month, but over the next 3 years. If they accomplish nothing more after 3 years (not after 1 or 2 months) then we can say their runs were flukes.

I am not worried at all about Wimbledon and frankly I enjoy the fact that this tournament looks likely to be wide open over the next few years.


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+ there isn't a single grasscourt in several, if not most, continental European countries.
Yep - just as it has been for a hundred years or so..

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the amusingly random results that we're going to get at the English Open 3-4 years from now are going to deal a serious blow to its prestige.
Doubt it

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I also believe that the English Open will be forced to switch surfaces within the lifetimes of most TF posters
Doubt this too..

I would like a slightly longer grass-court season though..
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Re: 2010 Wimbledon is just a preview of the next generation of grass tennis.

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I have hope that with their backs against the wall that they will finally make the appropriate changes to the grass season in the next 5 years or so.
This is never going to happen. Everyone has complained about this at some point, over years and years, and it's never been changed. Wimbledon and the French already have their solid places in the calendar, particularly Wimbledon. The French would need to be moved forward but I still don't see that happening.

And where exactly are all these extra grass tournaments going to take place? Really the only places capable of maintaining top class grasscourts fit for a professional tennis event are already all in use.

Like Shvedbarilescu said, Wimbledon is bigger than the players. It makes the players, not the other way round.

The grasscourt season has been the same since Venus, Serena, Mauresmo, Davenport, Sharapova, Graf etc. etc. were playing. They likely didn't play their first matches on the surface until they started playing international tournaments, yet they were all obviously very comfortable on the surface.

The whole tour right now is less predictable and less dominated. This is true everywhere not just on grass. And I don't think Wimbledon was ever necessarily any more "exclusive" than the other slams, since they've all been equal and all had all of the best players. It's just we put Wimbledon champions on a higher pedastel, because it's Wimbledon.
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There isn't an emerging star right now, period.
This.

After Serena retires, and she's been the only top player with any consistency in Grand Slams over these past 3 seasons, the tour might have no anchors at all. It seems right now that the Slams are up for grabs. Whoever happens to hit good form at the right moment and ride the wave... whether it be someone in the Top 15 who never before made the Top 10 or a GS SF or someone outside the Top 80 who never before did anything.

Women's tennis could become like golf. WIDE OPEN. With a group of fairly consistent players (Jankovic, Wozniacki, Azarenka, etc.) who have generally good results but don't necessarily win the Majors. That's the way it's been in golf for years.
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