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Real WTA bottom... Wimbledon... 1994?

All these threads bemoaning the state of the WTA had me thinking of another time when the WTA seemed to be doomed...

1994 Wimbledon won by #3 seed pre-Caroline pusher, Conchita Martinez. She beat 37-year-old former champion Martina Navratilova, who last won a slam at the 1990 Wimbledon. Conchita's victory so embittered Martina that Martina went into retirement

Steffi Graf, 3-time consecutive defending champ, had gone out in the first round to American Lori McNeil. (Extra credit to anyone who knows what Lori's ranking was at the time.) Lori lost in the semis 8/10 to Conchita.

Monica Seles and Jennifer Capriati were out of the game, presumably never to return. The other talked about teen, Mary Pierce, was MIA.

At least we know of some of the lower-ranked players in 2010.

Here was Conchita's trip to the finals:

Rd1 Simpson-Alter, straight sets
Rd2 Myagi, straight sets
Rd3 Tauziat, straight sets
Rd4 Radford, 3 sets
Qtrs Davenport, 3 sets
Semis McNeil, 3 sets
Final Navratilova, 3 sets

This was that year's quarterfinalists
McNeil, age 30
Leiland, age 27

Martinez, age 22
Davenport, age 18

Navratilova, age 37
Novotna, age 25

Fernandez, G., age 30
Garrison-Jackson, age 30


Although Lindsay was a top 10 seed that year, she was battling with her weight and still had to show her potential. In 2010, Petra reached the semis having just shed a lot of weight, and many feel Alisa and Nasty Pav. have the potential to do more sans weight.

Obviously Venus & Serena, Hingis, Justine & Kim, and the return of Jennifer and Monica were still seasons away.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?

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Re: Real WTA bottom... Wimbledon... 1994?

Martina Navratilova is Wimbledon's GOAT so kudos for Conchita to be able to beat her in the final.

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Lori was in top 20 or thereabout and wouldn't have played Steffi in R1 under today's seeding system. She was a very apr grasscourt player and a horrible draw for Steffi who was going through a mini slump at the time.

What I remember most from this tournament was the excitement about ZOMG WHO'S GONNA WIN IT NOW THAT STEFFI IS OUT????!!! and Conchita Martinez playing the match of her life on the biggest stage possible.

It wasn't that bad. Certainly not as bad as, say, Australian Open '06.
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Martina Navratilova is Wimbledon's GOAT so kudos for Conchita to be able to beat her in the final.
But she was 37 years old.

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Lori was in top 20 or thereabout and wouldn't have played Steffi in R1 under today's seeding system. She was a very apr grasscourt player and a horrible draw for Steffi who was going through a mini slump at the time.

What I remember most from this tournament was the excitement about ZOMG WHO'S GONNA WIN IT NOW THAT STEFFI IS OUT????!!! and Conchita Martinez playing the match of her life on the biggest stage possible.

It wasn't that bad. Certainly not as bad as, say, Australian Open '06.
I remember how big an upset it was that Steffi had gone out first round. Of course, all eyes were on Lori, the "lion-tamer!" She then lost in a heartbreaker (choke?) 8/10 to Conchita.

Regarding Lori, she would be like today's Vera Zvonareva, I guess, in terms of matching results.

I remember the next year, Wimbledon officials had to beg the press to come sit in for Conchita's press conferences

I don't like when only one player is looked as having the title in their hands with no competition. I mean, what was Wimbledon going to do now that Graf was out

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Lori was in top 20 or thereabout and wouldn't have played Steffi in R1 under today's seeding system. She was a very apr grasscourt player and a horrible draw for Steffi who was going through a mini slump at the time.

What I remember most from this tournament was the excitement about ZOMG WHO'S GONNA WIN IT NOW THAT STEFFI IS OUT????!!! and Conchita Martinez playing the match of her life on the biggest stage possible.

It wasn't that bad. Certainly not as bad as, say, Australian Open '06.
Actually AO 2007 was worse because you had the number 81 player in the world, who everybody says was out of shape, beating the number 1 seed like she stole the offering for the poor at church.

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Conchita may have been a pusher elsewhere, but during that final she was electric and imaginative, moving like a cat, bending inspired backhands past Martina....play like that deserved to win and didn't make for much of a nadir in WTA history.

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Sports Illustrated ran a cover story titled "Is Tennis Dying?" in 1994. However, Conchita was not a pusher by any means. She didn't bash the ball, but used spins and slices, varying the pace and depth of her shots before going in for the kill - just look at her success against Davenport.

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In no way was Conchita a pusher. Ridiculous. Any way, in that final, she was brilliant. Sorry, Martina. Can't win them all.
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Re: Real WTA bottom... Wimbledon... 1994?

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All these threads bemoaning the state of the WTA had me thinking of another time when the WTA seemed to be doomed...

1994 Wimbledon won by #3 seed pre-Caroline pusher, Conchita Martinez. She beat 37-year-old former champion Martina Navratilova, who last won a slam at the 1990 Wimbledon. Conchita's victory so embittered Martina that Martina went into retirement

Steffi Graf, 3-time consecutive defending champ, had gone out in the first round to American Lori McNeil. (Extra credit to anyone who knows what Lori's ranking was at the time.) Lori lost in the semis 8/10 to Conchita.

Monica Seles and Jennifer Capriati were out of the game, presumably never to return. The other talked about teen, Mary Pierce, was MIA.

At least we know of some of the lower-ranked players in 2010.

Here was Conchita's trip to the finals:

Rd1 Simpson-Alter, straight sets
Rd2 Myagi, straight sets
Rd3 Tauziat, straight sets
Rd4 Radford, 3 sets
Qtrs Davenport, 3 sets
Semis McNeil, 3 sets
Final Navratilova, 3 sets

This was that year's quarterfinalists
McNeil, age 30
Leiland, age 27

Martinez, age 22
Davenport, age 18

Navratilova, age 37
Novotna, age 25

Fernandez, G., age 30
Garrison-Jackson, age 30


Although Lindsay was a top 10 seed that year, she was battling with her weight and still had to show her potential. In 2010, Petra reached the semis having just shed a lot of weight, and many feel Alisa and Nasty Pav. have the potential to do more sans weight.

Obviously Venus & Serena, Hingis, Justine & Kim, and the return of Jennifer and Monica were still seasons away.

Anyone else have thoughts on this?
Talk about twisting things round. Martina had announced that she would be retiring at the end of 94 so everyone knew this was her last Wimbledon - it had nothing to do with Martinez's upset. All you're looking at is her age but Martina played excellent grass court tennis particularly in her QF win over Jana Novotna losing just 1 game after dropping the first set. As for the final Martinez took away Martinas momentum by taking a well timed injury break when Martina was on a roll. Martinez was also a very talented player who used heaps of spins and was nothing like Wozniaki.

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Re: Real WTA bottom... Wimbledon... 1994?

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In no way was Conchita a pusher. Ridiculous. Any way, in that final, she was brilliant. Sorry, Martina. Can't win them all.
Conchita had a lot more variety of shots, and a much better arsenal than say push Queen Wozniacki. But compared to other players from her era, she was a pusher IMO...

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Yep, Conchita winning Wimbledon is the rock bottom in WTA history, without a doubt...

Even Schiavone´s victory wasn´t that flukey... Serena must save this tournament on Saturday

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Conchita was a pretty great player. And I would take that Wimbledon over this current one.

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Sports Illustrated ran a cover story titled "Is Tennis Dying?" in 1994.
I'd love if someone could get their hands on that and post it.

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