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Wimbledon seeds adjusted with men's formula

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There have been a few stupid threads today about the women's seeds and why they weren't switched around like the men's. Well, it got me wondering just how much it would affect the seeds if the women used a formula like the men.

So, I went through the top 32 ranked women (excluding Dementieva) and got their grass results over the past 2 years and figured it out For those of you that don't know, the formula is:

Current ranking points (week of 6/13) + 100% of ranking points from grass in last 12 months + 75% of ranking points from grass in 12 months before that

Check out the attached PDF to see the adjusted seeds


EDIT: I've adjusted the rankings to the correct formula with only the best result from the prior 12
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Big jump for Safina up 11 spots into the top ten.. And also good for Na Li who was bumped up from #10 into the top 8 seeds-- potentially a lot better draw. Other than that, not much difference

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Great job twight6!


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I still just dont think Safina would be a good fit in the top 10, as of now. Good job!
It's definitely interesting to see how things wouldve changed if they use the formula. I think the rankings are fine how they are now.
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Just out of curiosity, what would Dementieva's seeding have been if she hadn't pulled out?
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Re: Wimbledon seeds adjusted with men's formula

Thats actually not the Men's system...close but not right.

You use their original ranking and add 100% of ALL grasscourt results for 2009 and 75% of the BEST grass court result in 2008.

You added ALL the grasscourt results for 2008 and not the BEST result only


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thing i hate about that system is that it damages players like clijsters who didnt play last year. Nadal didnt get #1 seed because he was injured last year, stupid. i know it doesnt make a difference being #1 or #2 but it would be nice to be #1

leave the rankings as they are AELTC, they are there for a reason. grass isnt a totally different surface now that theyve slowed it down, it doesnt need special rankings.
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Thank God they didn't use that flawed formula
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It's a good thing they didn't use the formula for women, because current rankings are more 'accurate'.

Kim should stay as top 8 seed and Safina in top 10 is not reflective of her current form.

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It's definitely interesting but if they had that or something similar, it would be grossly unfair to Kim & Justine as they haven't played the last two years.

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I agree with sexyalicat, unfair to players on the comeback. And lets face it, Dinara peaked when she told off Alison...

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franny 5 and aga 6? no thanks.

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It's definitely interesting but if they had that or something similar, it would be grossly unfair to Kim & Justine as they haven't played the last two years.

unfair?
it's not like they were forced out of the game

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unfair?
it's not like they were forced out of the game
that's not the point. Whether you were forced out by injury or are coming back from a voluntary break, it isn't fair that you get bumped down, in the case of Kim or Justine, 3-4 spots. Whatever rank you have you deserve it. I don't support any sort of change to the seeds unless it's obvious in the form of a past winner who has consistently good results at that particular venue.

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that's not the point. Whether you were forced out by injury or are coming back from a voluntary break, it isn't fair that you get bumped down, in the case of Kim or Justine, 3-4 spots. Whatever rank you have you deserve it. I don't support any sort of change to the seeds unless it's obvious in the form of a past winner who has consistently good results at that particular venue.
they didn't take a break...they "retired"...that was THEIR choice...if they get bumped down by a formula that ISN'T biased that's THEIR fault....how the hell is that unfair??

so everyone here thinks jh and kim should be bumped at RG and other slams arbitrarily because of "how great they were and to give a balanced draw", but you have a formula to use and THAT would be unfair LOL

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