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Pushers At The Mercy Of Power Players

This tournament has shown that IW was an exception.
As you may recall, Woznicki, Jankovic, and A. Radwanska were all in the semi at IW.

At the time, a discussion thread was created to underline the fact this was a rare occurence.

Needless to say , many disagree.
Miami has confirmed my assertion.


Here is the original disucssion thread
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthrea...0#post17445780

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Next week starts the clay season. I thought Caro played huge. Lets see how she does on clay.

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Overall they did better than Henin and Clijsters who both lost early in California.

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Next week starts the clay season. I thought Caro played huge. Lets see how she does on clay.
As if she was the player to beat, give US a break.
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What is a pusher? I know everyone probably already knows but I can't seem to find out
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What is a pusher? I know everyone probably already knows but I can't seem to find out
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pusher_(tennis)

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Radwanska and DEFINITELY Jankovic are not pushers.

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When will you learn that "pushers" never make it past the club level, let alone #1 on the WTA computer? Will it be too late?
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What is a pusher? I know everyone probably already knows but I can't seem to find out
A derogatory term for a player who has a consistent baseline game but no really big weapons to end points.

People here toss around the words "pusher" and "ball basher" to pigeon-hole players they don't like, without really taking into account that players adopt game styles that take best advantage of their physical tools.

They're just labels for people who feel the need to have labels.

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Obviously written by people off here.
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A derogatory term for a player who has a consistent baseline game but no really big weapons to end points.

People here toss around the words "pusher" and "ball basher" to pigeon-hole players they don't like, without really taking into account that players adopt game styles that take best advantage of their physical tools.

They're just labels for people who feel the need to have labels.
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This tournament has shown that IW was an exception.
As you may recall, Woznicki, Jankovic, and A. Radwanska were all in the semi at IW.

At the time, a discussion thread was created to underline the fact this was a rare occurence.
Needless to say , many disagree.
Miami has confirmed my assertion.

Here is the original disucssion thread
http://www.tennisforum.com/showthrea...0#post17445780
It's more you jumping to the conclusions after each and every tourney, than some relevant discussion.

The fact is that ballbashers are prone to make more unforced errors, so it's not that it's all under their racket. Wickmayer is a good example here. When she is all over the place and makes relatively high amount of UEs, you can't really say she played bad - it is precisely her tennis. If she can raise her level high enough to avoid the mistakes, she's going far. If "the pushers" raise their level to take control of the points, they're winning.

And as we can see they are both power players, and "pushers" in the top 20, so it's not like ones are dominating the others
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It's more you jumping to the conclusions after each and every tourney, than some relevant discussion.

The fact is that ballbashers are prone to make more unforced errors, so it's not that it's all under their racket. Wickmayer is a good example here. When she is all over the place and makes relatively high amount of UEs, you can't really say she played bad - it is precisely her tennis. If she can raise her level high enough to avoid the mistakes, she's going far. If "the pushers" raise their level to take control of the points, they're winning.

And as we can see they are both power players, and "pushers" in the top 20, so it's not like ones are dominating the others
Ok then, let's look at it from other perspective...when was the last time a TRUE pusher won a Grand Slam? Everyone knows that pushers biggest weapon is consistency, but in order to win something big you need to take destiny into your own hands and dictate the play, otherwise you'll run into some hot ballbasher and get blown off the court. That's the fact of life actually - fortune favours the brave, not the coward ones
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It's more you jumping to the conclusions after each and every tourney, than some relevant discussion.
It is not jumping to concluion if it is borne out to be true most of the time

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It's The fact is that ballbashers are prone to make more unforced errors, so it's not that it's all under their racket. Wickmayer is a good example here. When she is all over the place and makes relatively high amount of UEs, you can't really say she played bad - it is precisely her tennis. If she can raise her level high enough to avoid the mistakes, she's going far. If "the pushers" raise their level to take control of the points, they're winning.
I did not say ball bashers, I said power players. there is a difference.
The currently remaining players are all power players.

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Overall they did better than Henin and Clijsters who both lost early in California.
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