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Wozniacki vs Radwanska - IW SF: What Defines a 'Pusher'?

Can somebody who actually watch tis match, explain to me what defines either of these players as a 'pusher'? They are both trying to be offensive. They are both displaying great variety-of-shot. Can somebody please, using this match as an example, explain what a pusher is?

To me, this looks like two highly skilled players who can;'t hit a 100 mph groundie.

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I saw that point. It was an anomaly from their usual play and does not change anything.

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I dunno, but I enjoy watching Radwanska A better serve and a little more power, and she can make some real noise.


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I post this at 6-2 3-2 in the 2nd.

Can somebody who actually watch tis match, explain to me what defines either of these players as a 'pusher'? They are both trying to be offensive. They are both displaying great variety-of-shot. Can somebody please, using this match as an example, explain what a pusher is?

To me, this looks like two highly skilled players who can;'t hit a 100 mph groundie.
agreed! they are both trying really hard and producing some really good rallies, haters just want to hate and need to get over themselves. and im not only saying this as a caro fan but also as a tennis fan

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Wozniacki isn't playing like a pusher tonight because she doesn't need to. Radwanska hits with too little pace. Hence why Caroline seems to be quite a big hitter in comparison during some of these rallies. Wozniacki only plays like that when she's playing a big name, then she sits back and waits for her errors.
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I saw that point. It was an anomaly from their usual play and does not change anything.
With apologies if English isn't your first language, I'm not talking about any one point. It's a set and a half of tennis by now.

What defines this brand of tennis as 'pushing'?

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Wozniacki is playing her usual game. Heavy topspin with a lot of margin. Radwanska's incompetence in dealing with any kind of topspin bouncing above shoulder height is what's making Wozniacki look remotely aggressive. It's hard not to be aggressive when your opponent is giving up all these short paceless puffballs.

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With apologies if English isn't your first language, I'm not talking about any one point. It's a set and a half of tennis by now.

What defines this brand of tennis as 'pushing'?
English is my fourth language. I was referring to a certain point somewhere in that period.

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Wozniacki isn't playing like a pusher tonight because she doesn't need to
Which brings back the inital question. What IS playing like a 'pusher'? If Wozniacki isn't doing it, are you saying Radwanska is? And if so, can you please explain it? The example is right in front of you, if true.
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Wozniacki only plays like that when she's playing a big name, then she sits back and waits for her errors.
If you generate enough pace, and have enough placement, you can sit back and wait for errors from anyone. Go look at Chris Evert tapes from 1974.

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English is my fourth language. I was referring to a certain point somewhere in that period.
Plaudits. Now that you understand that I'mreferring to an entire match, not just ie point, care to comment?

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second set was quite entertaining. Aga had to attack more because she couldnt outrally Caro, but she just had too many errors. Made a few easy misses on break points. If it was pushing it wasnt boring.

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Plaudits. Now that you understand that I'mreferring to an entire match, not just ie point, care to comment?
That point is still a reflection of the entire match. Even if they are trying to be very aggressive throughout, it is still anomalous to their game play. One match doesn't change anything at all. Remember Caroline's AO campaign this year?

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      Unforced errors   Winners   Aces   Double faults
Caro         25            21       4          0
Aga          38            18       1          2
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Re: Wozniacki vs Radwanska - IW SF: What Defines a 'Pusher'?

On this board, a "pusher" is one of 2 things:

1) A player who doesn't risk going for a winner every time they can. This match is a good example of that from both sides.
2) A euphemism for "fucking bitch."

EIther way, it's best ignored.

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I post this at 6-2 3-2 in the 2nd.

Can somebody who actually watch tis match, explain to me what defines either of these players as a 'pusher'? They are both trying to be offensive. They are both displaying great variety-of-shot. Can somebody please, using this match as an example, explain what a pusher is?

To me, this looks like two highly skilled players who can;'t hit a 100 mph groundie.
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I watched the match, but has given up with the WUM pusher comments. Haters use 'Pushniacki' as an insult. Well, know what. The girl is now ranked 2 in the world. She's 19 yr of age. Still improving and making lots of $$. Oh and rather easy on the eye too.

So there's a lot to hate. IMHO the pusher comments are just used by plastic fans, who doesn't know tennis well. They don't know what else to say. They have nothing worth saying to say. So they call someone a 'pusher', when they don't like her.

Such 'fans' are easy to spot and impossible to have any rational dialogue with. So best just to ignore.
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