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Slumping players, what is your advice?

Ok this is about no player in particular, but when reading the forum i often see 'X player needs to take a break'. for me when a player is in a slump the right thing to do is tournament whore. there comes a point when a player hits rock and they only way to get out of it is just go play tennis.

for me someone like nicole or ivanovic, who are obviously struggling, they need to play lots of tournaments, because right now each tournament that they do play becomes huge and 'the one' in which they have to turn it around, adding extra preasure.

yes it may mean that the player has a few bad loses but somewhere it will click, and if it doesn't there is the attitude of there is always next week, taking the preasure off when it doesn't click.

im more convinced of a chakvetadze or cornet getting out of a slump playing lots, than ana or nicole who seem to have reduced their schedule with the loss of form. peer is a great example of putting her nose to the grindstone, going and playing small tournaments and building herself back up. it is tough but waiting for something to happen rather than getting out there and almost forcing it happen for me just wont work.

It would be intresting if there are many examples of players taking 3 or 4 months off and it sorting out their loss of form?

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Re: Slumping players, what is your advice?

But what about if the technique is a big problem? If they are playing a lot there will be no proper time to work on fixing it.
Also what about the attitude? If the attitude isn't right then they won't win much at all, just going tournament to tournament losing and the confidence completely going.
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Re: Slumping players, what is your advice?

Yeah I agree, they just have to play many matches, that's the only way!
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I think some players have done this in the past and said they were 'injured', probably to get around any fines that they could acrue.
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Re: Slumping players, what is your advice?

I agree. I never supported the theory of "taking a break." Although I do think the correct way to go about it is start off in smaller tournaments against weaker players. And as you said Peer was a good example of that. Hovering around the top 60 last year, did good in smaller tier IV tournaments and is now inching closer to the top 20. The good news for Ana, Anna, Nicole, and Alize is that they are all very young and still could have a long career ahead of them. Apart from Alize the others already have several WTA tournaments to their name.

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I totally 100% agree with you Sammy. That is absolutely the only way to get out of a slump. And Shahar Peer is a fine example of a player who has done just that.

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But what about if the technique is a big problem? If they are playing a lot there will be no proper time to work on fixing it.
Also what about the attitude? If the attitude isn't right then they won't win much at all, just going tournament to tournament losing and the confidence completely going.
but im of the mind that practice is ok, but the real test is putting it into match play. lets face it if a player is losing 1st or 2nd round they have 4 days to practice for the next tournament.

lets take ana's ball toss, she may be throwing it up fine in practice but what she really needs is to add it into her match play game. if she is only playing a tournament every 3 weeks that just isn't enough to make it count, and the preasure is on that tournament to get it right because there wont be another for 3 weeks.

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Re: Slumping players, what is your advice?

I agree playing a lot of matches is a better solution than taking a break. I remember something Flavia wrote when she blogged from Barcelona in 2007, like "Singles, doubles, mixed, I'll play anything at the moment, anywhere!" She also mentioned how every match she won, whether in singles or doubles, in bigger or smaller tournaments would help her confidence at that moment.

There's one big exception though: when a player has mental issues, or offcourt problems in her life, she should definitely fix them before playing again IMO. And this seems to be the case at least with Nicole.
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This happens in all sports.
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I agree playing a lot of matches is a better solution than taking a break. I remember something Flavia wrote when she blogged from Barcelona in 2007, like "Singles, doubles, mixed, I'll play anything at the moment, anywhere!" She also mentioned how every match she won, whether in singles or doubles, in bigger or smaller tournaments would help her confidence at that moment.

There's one big exception though: when a player has mental issues, or offcourt problems in her life, she should definitely fix them before playing again IMO. And this seems to be the case at least with Nicole.
that is so true from flavia.

obviously if there is family problems a break can help, but i think there are very few players on tour i would advise to do that.

what i would say to any player in a slump is be honest with yourself. don't do the ivanovic thing and pretend everything is ok and don't let your ego get in the way of grinding your way back up. ask yourself what you want from your tennis and how you aim to get it and is the effort involved something you are willing to go through.

flavia is a great example of a player forgetting who they were and playing matches and look at her now.

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that is so true from flavia.

obviously if there is family problems a break can help, but i think there are very few players on tour i would advise to do that.

what i would say to any player in a slump is be honest with yourself. don't do the ivanovic thing and pretend everything is ok and don't let your ego get in the way of grinding your way back up. ask yourself what you want from your tennis and how you aim to get it and is the effort involved something you are willing to go through.

flavia is a great example of a player forgetting who they were and playing matches and look at her now.
This is true. I think Ana is hindered by her management/image. She's still one of the stars of tennis, especially for people who don't follow the sport that closely. And stars are not supposed to play small tournaments....
But as long as she's not ready to make that step, and to change major things in her team, game and everything, I doubt things will change for her anytime soon

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Re: Slumping players, what is your advice?

I agree with most people in this thread. I agree with taking a break to an extent; maybe I could see the logic in Ana ending her season a couple of weeks early last year. It had been a stressful season and maybe she did need it. But there's a limit. If 3 months off wasn't enough, then yet more time off isn't going to work. There comes a time in life where you just have to bite the bullet and try and work through your problems on the fly, even if you're not feeling your best. And in tennis, it's been proven there's no substitute for match play.
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This is true. I think Ana is hindered by her management/image. She's still one of the stars of tennis, especially for people who don't follow the sport that closely. And stars are not supposed to play small tournaments...
I doubt people taking care of her management/image aren't aware that soon enough her ranking will be so low she will be playing on the outside courts of the big tournaments, where nobody sees her, so she'll get no exposure of her image.

I think Ana doesn't play more because she doesn't want to, and that's that.

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