But seriously, that's probably what's gonna happen. Jankovic beats a fatigued / injured Caroline 2-1 and then Caroline will be kicking herself that she didn't finish off Zvonareva in two sets when she was up 6-0 5-2 with match point.
Jankovic on the other hand will be eternally grateful to Safina for awarding her two free sets by retiring at 1-1 in the first.
Of course, Radwanska could end up being the hero(ine) in this mess if she can somehow beat Azarenka.
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
I thought Caro was already in SF. Someone plz explain all the possible scenarios.
If Jelena beats Caro in 2 and Vika beats Aga in 2, so Jelena and Vika will advance?
I thought Caro was already in SF. Someone plz explain all the possible scenarios.
If Jelena beats Caro in 2 and Vika beats Aga in 2, so Jelena and Vika will advance?
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Thank Christ you let us know.
Just now I was sitting here thinking, "Wow, I wonder what kman is going to do if Caroline loses..?", and it was just bugging me so much not knowing. Thanks so much for solving that problem.
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Привет;16746115 said:
Thank Christ you let us know.
Just now I was sitting here thinking, "Wow, I wonder what kman is going to do if Caroline loses..?", and it was just bugging me so much not knowing. Thanks so much for solving that problem.
You missed the point of this thread. This point was to point out that Jelena is one lucky DOB for getting a gift 2-0 against Safina. She should've been forced to play either Zvonareva or Radwanska so she could earn it instead!
And for the people saying Caroline is always lucky, being up 6-0, 5-2 with match point and practically winning the point but then having the call challenged by Zvonareva and the point replayed... ouch. That's gonna haunt her.
Unless!
Caroline and Radwanska are very good friends (better friends than Radwanska and Azarenka I think) so hopefully Radwanska will do her best to help Caroline through should it become relevant. Has Radwanska ever beaten Azarenka?
You missed the point of this thread. This point was to point out that Jelena is one lucky DOB for getting a gift 2-0 against Safina. She should've been forced to play either Zvonareva or Radwanska so she could earn it instead
Sorry, all I saw was you trying to discredit another player's achievement because it would mean that your fave would probably miss out. I wonder what gave me that impression? :lol:
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
it would be totally unfair but yes, Caro can go out at Vika and Jelena's advantage with the latter having played only 2 games vs Safina and losing her match to Azarenka in straigth sets that's if both JJ and Vika win today .
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
I can understand what you're saying. After what caroline has shown the last days she really deserves that spot. It's really a shame the organisation has such retarded scheduling and put caro-jelena before azarenka-aga.
The same with serena-elena venus-svetlana yesterday.
I can understand what you're saying. After what caroline has shown the last days she really deserves that spot. It's really a shame the organisation has such retarded scheduling and put caro-jelena before azarenka-aga.
The same with serena-elena venus-svetlana yesterday.
I heard the commentator on ES mention this schledule during that first match yesterday.
So maybe the organisers have made this schledule at the very beginning?
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Привет;16746137 said:
Sorry, all I saw was you trying to discredit another player's achievement because it would mean that your fave would probably miss out. I wonder what gave me that impression? :lol:
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Привет;16746137 said:
Sorry, all I saw was you trying to discredit another player's achievement because it would mean that your fave would probably miss out. I wonder what gave me that impression? :lol:
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Why doesn't the WTA have a rule that says a player has to finish the match against one of the reserves when opponent retires? The reserve could just take over the score from the "retiree" and then play from there?
Why doesn't the WTA have a rule that says a player has to finish the match against one of the reserves when opponent retires? The reserve could just take over the score from the "retiree" and then play from there?
Because that's the most impractical and downright laughable thing ever. Zvonareva would've had no time to warmup, get ready and so would be at risk of injuring HERSELF. Unless you suggest that she warms up and gets ready for EVERY match just in case she was playing? And then of course Vera and Safina are completely different players, JJ and her coach probably would've worked out a gameplan for Safina and then suddenly she would have to play a completely different player on the spot? No.
And then of course what if it was 6-6 ret.? If vera was warmed up and ready then she would be much fresher than JJ.
And anyway it's not like Caroline didn't benefit. Instead of playing the no.1 player who she's never got close to beating, she got to play an injured Zvonareva who got completely smoked by a relative nobody in her very last match and who was probably thinking more about getting a tan than actually competing. It was Caroline's mental fragility at 6-0 5-2 or whatever it was that made the match go to 3.
After two gruelling 3-hour matches when Jankovic has had plenty of time to rest up thanks to Safina retiring so early in their match. Doesn't seem very likely.
I don't blame Jankovic for Caroline's long matches, but she's still lucky she's had so much time to rest while Caroline has had to play.
I'll repeat my question since I'm curious about the answers:
Why doesn't the WTA have a rule that says a player has to finish the match against one of the reserves when opponent retires? The reserve could just take over the score from the "retiree" and then play from there?
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
well ..in the eventuality of 3 players being tied, if one of them hasn't played the whole three matches , she's out and the tie is between the two others . Jankovic hasn't completed the three matches but the rule says she did coz it was retirement during the game... while Wozniacki had to dig deep to win her matches . She is more deservant of a spot in the SF than JJ (but I like JJ too ...)
well ..in the eventuality of 3 players being tied, if one of them hasn't played the whole three matches , she's out and the tie is between the two others . Jankovic hasn't completed the three matches but the rule says she did coz it was retirement during the game... while Wozniacki had to dig deep to win her matches . She is more deservant of a spot in the SF than JJ (but I like JJ too ...)
But it does count as 3 matches. They can't punish JJ for something that was beyond her control. What if Dinara had played but couldn't hit a ball over the net? It surely would've been 6-1 6-0.
But talking about the situation in a way that sheds negativity on JJ is effectively blaming her for being in that situation, when it is totally out of her control.
Just stop calling her lucky. JJ would be lucky if she and Dinara went out onto the court and rolled a dice to see who won, but that's not what happened.
It wasn't luck, it was her opponent being injured.
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Привет;16746302 said:
But talking about the situation in a way that sheds negativity on JJ is effectively blaming her for being in that situation, when it is totally out of her control.
No, I'm not blaming JJ. Like you said, it's totally out of her control. I'm just pointing out her luck and asking whether the rules could be optimized. I think they can.
Привет;16746302 said:
Just stop calling her lucky. JJ would be lucky if she and Dinara went out onto the court and rolled a dice to see who won, but that's not what happened.
It wasn't luck, it was her opponent being injured.
No, I'm not blaming JJ. Like you said, it's totally out of her control. I'm just pointing out her luck and asking whether the rules could be optimized. I think they can.
I probably will stop calling her lucky after a while, but not because you told me to Patience my friend...
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
funny cus i'll be rooting for jj and vika like never before.
whoever gets through will have done so by the rules and doing what they had to, just because that might not be your fave player theres no need to have a hissy fit thread about it.
Luck is also getting to play the world no.8 who just lost like 6-2 6-0 to a complete nobody and is injured rather than facing the world no.1.
Luck is also being able to play in one of the WEAKEST generations EVER where the actual elite players are all either injured, ageing or just not elite enough.
Luck happens all the time.
You act like it's the first time this ever happened. Retirements happen all the time, Mauresmo got like 3 in her AO campaign in 06. Deal with it and move on.
And sammy is right, you wouldn't be saying this if the tide was turned.
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
Привет;16746115 said:
Thank Christ you let us know.
Just now I was sitting here thinking, "Wow, I wonder what kman is going to do if Caroline loses..?", and it was just bugging me so much not knowing. Thanks so much for solving that problem.
Re: If Jankovic beats Caroline, I'll be rooting for Radwanska like never before
can i start a thread bemoaning caro's luck of landing in the side of the us open draw that fell apart, not in the side with both williams and clijsters in. thus in my eyes being one of the most undeserving slam finalists in a very long time.
Of course you can. But Caroline beat Kuznetsova -- and Oudin who beat Sharapova, Petrova and Dementieva -- and had almost the same score against Clijsters as Serena had. Not too shabby I should say.