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Question What's the best Canon lens/es to take great tennis shots with?

hopefully i'll get a few helpful replies and this thread won't get moved. i want canon lenses only coz i've got a canon dsrl (it arrives tomorrow, my mum bought it for me) and i've been researching on the internet a lot, reading reviews, blogs, hands on reviews and video reviews, etc. this is gonna be a REALLY LONG post.

i'll be going to the extremely hot and crowed AO next year. i'll prob go (almost) everyday again like i did this year.

some essential information that might help u help me:
* my camera will be, when it arrives is a Canon EOS 7D
* i think she bought a kit, instead of buying the body and lens/es separately (so i have no idea what kit lens it is til tomorrow)
* i prefer to really have only one good lens. as i'll most likely be on the outside courts unless one of my faves (or a good match up that im interested in) is playing on hisense/RLA. if anything i'll prob go to an azarenka (or maybe even safina) match if its on hisense/RLA and its an interesting match up.
* i heard and read that u cant get in the AO if ur lens exceeds 200mmm. so yeah...crap if im gonna be in RLA/hisense.
* im thinking of buying a UV filter but read that theres already a filter in most dsrl cameras and that it "blurs" the image
* i'd most likely buy a lens hood (if the lens i chose doesnt have one included)
* im willing to spend up to $1700 on an extremely good lens. preferably a canon L series lens or something thats equivalent to one. or a prime lens (whatever that is)
* i want IS, but some posters (not here) have said that IS isnt "necessary" when taking pics of sports/fast moving objects
* i also want a flexible lens to take portraits, sports (tennis), special ocassions (weddings, bdays, etc) and animals, etc.

these are some of the lenses i've researched and are considering (all canon):
24-70mm
24-105mm
15-85mm
70-200mm
17-55mm

there are a few more but i cant remember lol. if ur using a great lens that u think would suit my camera and the areas i'd like to take pics with, plz post what lens ur using.

btw, im a complete NOVICE when it comes to dsrl cameras. bad idea to buy a semi-pro camera when im a beginner? i think so too!

so any help would be much appreciated, tnx in advance and if there's any other info that u need to make a suggestion, plz ask and i'll answer in hope i'll buy a lens. plus i'll prob get a small-medium sized camera bag (most likely low-pro unless i find something better).

p.s im leaving out the "royal blue" colour so its easier to read this post lol.

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Re: What's the best Canon lens/es to take great tennis shots with?

Out of all the lenses you listed, only the 70-200 would be okay, and that is if you are relatively close to the action on the outside courts. While you are using it on the 7D and I am assuming you are going to be quite close to the action, it still *might* be short.

Otherwise, you might consider buying longer lenses like the 100-400L (if you are shooting in daylight only, and I'm not sure how good the AF is on that lens) or the 300mm F4 prime (again if you are shooting in daylight), but that's much less flexible. Another idea is the Sigma 120-300mm 2.8 lens (it will cost you around 1500 used), but again I am not sure how easy it is to find a good copy of that lens, and AF might not be best.

But yeah, I think you should find out if you can bring a longer lens to AO, because all of these are big lenses and longer than 200mm. You might be okay with 200mm, but I think you need to know how close to the action you are going to be able to get. If you are close enough, 200mm will probably be good enough.




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Hi. First of all congratulations on your camera. It's a fine piece of equipment which can make excellent pictures in combination with the rihgt use and right glass. BTW, it is dSLR (digital single lens reflex). If it is a kit it will come with either the EF-S 18-135 or the EF-S 15-85. Neither will be sufficient.

Now about the choice of lens.
If it is true about the AO not allowing lenses bigger then 200mm, then your choices are limited, and I have to agree with cellophane: of all your options you mentioned, only the 70-200mm will do. Canon have 4 versions of that lens, IS or non-IS, f/2.8 or f/4.0. All of them are extremely good and highly recommended. Also, all 4 of them will come equipped with hoods, and all 4 of them are white: you WILL get noticed..
The most versatile version by far is the 2.8 IS version. It has it all: a wide aperture, image stabilization and a shitload of weight to carry around....
Will you be shooting mainly sport and you want to freeze the motion, you will be shooting with short shutter times. These short times make IS kind of obsolete, but will still give you a calmer picture in your viewfinder (although it will also gives you a bit of an unwanted trailing effect). The non-IS can be considered for sports photography (it is also my choice of lens for tennis matches) or for portraits when used on a sturdy tripod. The choice between f/2.8 or f/4.0 is whether you will use the lens in bad light or not. Are you planning to use the lens only outdoors and in broad daylight, than a f/4.0 will do. Will you use it indoors or at night sessions (esp. RLA!) you need f/2.8. Remember, you can't use flash, so you'll be needing as much light as possible.

As I more or less stated, I'm a Canon-shooter myself. I just came back from Linz where I took a couple of shots of which some I posted here. You can find it here: My Linz Pictures
I used a 30D and mainly a 70-200mm f/2.8 non-IS lens. I also carried a 16-35mm f/2.8, a 28-70mm f/2.8 and a 2x converter, but at times I wished I had the 85mm f/1.8 or the 135mm f2.0: the light was that bad...
Lengthwise, a 70-200 will get you close enough to the action. At times I even had to step back to a more wide-angle lens to get more of the action. The 7D is like the 30D equipped with an APS-C type sensor which give you, compared to a full frame sensor as in a 1Ds or 5D, an extra 1.6 digital zoom factor, so at 200mm the lens will give the same picture as a 320mm at a full-frame body and at 70mm it is like 112mm which can be too long, especially with doubles matches. I only used my extender a couple of times when I wanted to get closer across the entire court lengthwise. As an example, post #145 in my thread is with, #146 is without extender. Both pictures were cropped and resized to 480x640.
None of the pros I saw were using lenses bigger then 400mm. Probably also because bigger lenses come with max. apertures of f/4.0 and up. Most of them used 70-200mm, occasionally in addition with 200mm f/2.0, 300mm f/2.8 or 400mm f/2.8 primes, all of these are waayy above your (and mine ) budget. BTW, primes are lenses with a single focus range i.e. non-zooms.

I hope you got some more info. Don't hesitate to ask if you need more.

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Out of all the lenses you listed, only the 70-200 would be okay, and that is if you are relatively close to the action on the outside courts. While you are using it on the 7D and I am assuming you are going to be quite close to the action, it still *might* be short.

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But yeah, I think you should find out if you can bring a longer lens to AO, because all of these are big lenses and longer than 200mm. You might be okay with 200mm, but I think you need to know how close to the action you are going to be able to get. If you are close enough, 200mm will probably be good enough.
im gonna try and get as close as possible (unless im in RLA/hisense then i cant really do much about it).

yesterday i read up on the terms and conditions about the lenses. it cant be longer than 200mm, which mine is exactly 200mm, so hopefully i wont be refused entry. do u think the 70-200mm would compliment the 80-200mm? or are they practically the same?


i took photos 'til the battery died. but i cant charge it since it was bought over it japan (and i live in australia), i dont have the proper charger adapter thing - power points are different. now im thinking whether i should spend the extra money to buy another charger. i also need to buy a lens hood, it didnt come with one

has anyone had any experience with UV filters? are they good/bad/waste of money? also does anyone know how to clean their lens? there are dust particals from when i was outside in the winds taking pics. i need a cloth or something but i dont want to ruin my lens. my local camera store doesnt have many choices for canon lenses.

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Re: What's the best Canon lens/es to take great tennis shots with?

I have no idea but there might be an air spray to clean with, which is what is used on computers.

Was anybody on this forum the guys who were at the Cirstea match at Cincinnati, taking a lot of pics of her? With I guess some nice equipment. You said you were from Chicago.
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Oh the lens can't be longer than 200mm mine is 75-300mm guess I better not risk taking it.

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If you refer to the 80-200mm f/4.5-5.6 II (please, for future references, also include the f number and a possible mark when you refer to lenses); any 70-200L would be a replacement giving a much better image quality. They are definitely not the same. My advice is: buy a 70-200mm and sell the other. You could be referring to the ancient 80-200mm 2.8L. In that case don't upgrade..
BTW, I read the conditions as well, it stated that you can't bring video cameras & handy-cams. Good luck getting your 7D in, as it also functions as a video-camera. Let me know if you succeeded. For me it might be just the difference between buying a 1Dmk3 or a 1Dmk4...
A tip: buying an extender would increase your reach and you would still meet the tournaments requirements. Mind you, Canon extenders only fit the white L-series telelenses (zoom and primes). Other brands (Sigma, Tamron) aren't good.

You defintely should buy a charger. You can't take pictures with flat batteries .
There are good third-party alternatives. Search the Net to find one.

Use of UV(protect)-filters: don't, unless you're high up in the mountains or really need to give your front element some extra protection. In case of some lenses like the 16-35mm 2.8L filters are also needed for weather-sealing.

Concerning cleaning lenses There's no really that much difference between Nikkor, Minolta, Pentax or Canon lenses. For lens cleaning I use a lens pen or a micro fiber cloth. DON'T use paper towels or anything else containing cellulose: it WILL damage your lens.
Look here for examples: http://www.digitalcamerawarehouse.co...egory523_1.htm

Now I also have a question. In your first post you mentioned a budget of $1700. Are these Australian dollars? In this case your choices are somewhat limietd to the 70-200mm f/4.0 lenses. I personally would choose a non-IS + 1.4x extender, but you might opt for the IS version (Aus$ 1799,-).






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Oh the lens can't be longer than 200mm mine is 75-300mm guess I better not risk taking it.
I'm not sure why they limit you to 200mm, but if it's because of size (I'm assuming it is), 75-300mm is smaller than any of the 200mm lens, so maybe they own't have a problem with it because it's a small lens.




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yesterday i read up on the terms and conditions about the lenses. it cant be longer than 200mm, which mine is exactly 200mm, so hopefully i wont be refused entry. do u think the 70-200mm would compliment the 80-200mm? or are they practically the same?
Which 80-200 is it? Is it the 80-200 2.8 L or the other lens Rix was referring to?

With your budget, you can get the 70-200 2.8 L with IS (Image Stabilization) but whether you need it or not depends on how much low light shooting (and what kind) you'll be doing.



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i took photos 'til the battery died. but i cant charge it since it was bought over it japan (and i live in australia), i dont have the proper charger adapter thing - power points are different. now im thinking whether i should spend the extra money to buy another charger. i also need to buy a lens hood, it didnt come with one
Why not just buy an adapter for your charger?

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has anyone had any experience with UV filters? are they good/bad/waste of money? also does anyone know how to clean their lens? there are dust particals from when i was outside in the winds taking pics. i need a cloth or something but i dont want to ruin my lens. my local camera store doesnt have many choices for canon lenses.
Just buy a Giotto's lens cleaning kit... it shouldn't cost too much (not 40 dollars or anything like that)... it has a cleaning cloth, solution and brush.




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I'm not sure why they limit you to 200mm, but if it's because of size (I'm assuming it is), 75-300mm is smaller than any of the 200mm lens, so maybe they own't have a problem with it because it's a small lens.
If it's like many events, the restriction is because they don't want the general public getting better (higher resolution and image quality) photos than the approved photographers. So it's not about the physical size of the lens.
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If it's like many events, the restriction is because they don't want the general public getting better (higher resolution and image quality) photos than the approved photographers. So it's not about the physical size of the lens.

Not sure why that would be a concern?




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I'm not sure why they limit you to 200mm, but if it's because of size (I'm assuming it is), 75-300mm is smaller than any of the 200mm lens, so maybe they own't have a problem with it because it's a small lens.
Oh yeah I thought thay my lens really isn't that big.. but as you can see I have no idea at all thanks

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Not sure why that would be a concern?
Have you worked much as a pro photographer? I can tell you, it isn't something that pros and the people who are shelling out lost f $$ for images like too much. Do you think that Press/Photo passes were just a quirky thing with no intent behind it? Some events (e.g. NBA) the public can't even get in with a camera or capture-device - period.

Beyond that there are copyright issues which while technically applicable to any quality image, only seem to crop out around A-quality images
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With your budget, you can get the 70-200 2.8 L with IS (Image Stabilization) but whether you need it or not depends on how much low light shooting (and what kind) you'll be doing.
In Australia the 2.8 IS starts at around 2100 Aus$...

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Just buy a Giotto's lens cleaning kit... it shouldn't cost too much (not 40 dollars or anything like that)... it has a cleaning cloth, solution and brush.
You mean something like this.
Just don't use blowers (Giotto kits often comes with blowers), as they tend to blow the dust into the lens, even with weather-sealed lenses. I'm not risking any $1500 lens on that..

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If it's like many events, the restriction is because they don't want the general public getting better (higher resolution and image quality) photos than the approved photographers. So it's not about the physical size of the lens.
According to the AO-site it's a security issue. See under "Prohibited items": "For the comfort and safety of patrons and players....".

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Have you worked much as a pro photographer? I can tell you, it isn't something that pros and the people who are shelling out lost f $$ for images like too much. Do you think that Press/Photo passes were just a quirky thing with no intent behind it? Some events (e.g. NBA) the public can't even get in with a camera or capture-device - period.

Beyond that there are copyright issues which while technically applicable to any quality image, only seem to crop out around A-quality images
Accept for US-based tournaments I never heard about camera restrictions. But then again, in the States they are very strict about copyright rules.






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Have you worked much as a pro photographer? I can tell you, it isn't something that pros and the people who are shelling out lost f $$ for images like too much. Do you think that Press/Photo passes were just a quirky thing with no intent behind it? Some events (e.g. NBA) the public can't even get in with a camera or capture-device - period.
I thought the point of press passes (beyond copyright issues) was to give special access to the pro photographers. They don't want a bunch of people running around taking photos with big equipment in special access areas. Not sure however what it has to do with excluding the Average Joe taking a photo in an area which is *not closed off* to general public. I would however buy that perhaps they don't want anyone to lug a bunch of equipment into the stands, so size is the reason.




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