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Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

I realise this issue has probably been touched upon many times on this forum previously, but I am genuinely curious as to people's thoughts.

Seriously, I can't see how anyone can logically say Serena is a better player than Henin was by the end of her career. I mean, Serena has not won a Slam when Henin wasn't in the draw since 2003, and in 2007, Serena simply had no idea how to beat Henin. I can see that Serena's serve is maybe a bit better than Henin's (Henin could almost match Serena in the top serve speed, but she typically had a low 1st serve %). But in terms of groundstrokes, they were at best equal, movement-wise Henin was infinitely better, and of course there was no contest in terms of finesse. I can see that maybe Serena remained generally the better player on grass, even if Henin won their last Wimbledon meeting, but on hard courts Serena was generally unable to beat a top-form Henin, and clay would never have been a contest.

I realise this is all moot in the wide scheme of things; personally, I don't think we'll ever see Henin come back, and even if she did, it's highly unlikely she'd ever return to her 2007 level again. But I'm still interested to hear people's thoughts.
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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

I don't think Serena is better than Henin.



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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

Yes, more slams in singles and doubles and leads in their head-to-head 7-6.

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

Henin has retired, so can we keep these comparisons with only active players?? What next , compare Serena with Suzanne Lenglen??

good points nonetheless.

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

if yiu think Justine is better than serena you are delusional.

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

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I realise this issue has probably been touched upon many times on this forum previously, but I am genuinely curious as to people's thoughts.

Seriously, I can't see how anyone can logically say Serena is a better player than Henin was by the end of her career.
Consider that it is far likelier that the limitation lies with you, rather than others. YOU can't see it. Fine. But 11 slam singles titles > 7 slam singles titles is a difficult arguement to overcome.

As for your other arguements, your problem is that you're trying to relegate the arguement to a narrow period in the careers of two players of roughly equal age. If I narrow the arguement to 2002-3, Henin had already made a lam final by then, but who was having better results? Or, to take two other players, who was better in 2006? Elena Dementieva or Venus Williams?

Had your statement been, 'there was a period in Justine Henin's career when she was better than Serena' I would have to agree. This is also true of Venus, Jennifer Capriati,Martina Hingis and Amelie Mauresmo. They all had periods, lasting a year or more, than they were better than Serena. AFTER Serena won her first slam. The difference with Henin is that when she saw she wans't going to be the best anymore, she retired.

Serena has persevered through every period of somebody else seeming better for a while. And look who's on top now.

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movement-wise Henin was infinitely better,
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in 2007, Serena simply had no idea how to beat Henin
In 2008, she beat Henin 6-2 6-0, possibly contributing to Henin decision to retire instead of finding her game again.

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

Peak Serena will def. peak henin 6-1 6-1
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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

Of course Serena is better than Henin. Serena is one of the greatest tennis players of all time. You should be comparing Henin to Venus NOT Serena
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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

If you do a search, there are tons of threads on this. One of the more recent ones that I remember was regarding "who has more talent" between the two. You will find it similar to this one.

Personally, I agree with you.
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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

If Henin didn't retire, the Henin vs Serena rivalry and competition to be best of this generation would have been what this generation'd be remembered for.

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

Yes Yes & Yes - Serena is better than Henin.

I still say, Henin would not have won the US Open in 2003 had the Williams sisters played. They owned her at that point. This would've continued to deflate her confidence when playing them.

But it's all a mute point. Serena has 11 slams and leads the H2H.

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

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Peak Serena will def. peak henin 6-1 6-1
Maybe, if Justine does indeed come back, we can start the non-peak vs. non-peak rivalry
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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

Justine was consistently and technically a better player. Her average is much better than Serena’s average. However, Serena at 100% (ie. AO 07) is unplayable. So I guess it’s all down to interpretation. By better player, do you mean whilst both at their best or consistency?

And yes, this topic has been done to death and this thread will turn into all out war later on as always

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Re: Do people seriously think Serena is a better player than Henin?

All the objective evidence points in the direction of Serena...

...including the last time they played, who's ass was kicked?

Almost every time Henin scored a major victory over Serena the next time they played Serena set the record straight (usually a Henin win on Clay followed by a Serena win on another surface).

Henin on Clay...that's the qualifier, but I'd take Serena tomorrow, next week, next year or in 2012 against Henin.
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