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Venus Williams (The Dave Kingman of tennis)

When I think of Venus Williams struggles particularly in the first round and how she tries to power her way through slumps. I think of a former New York Met player named Dave Kingman. This guy stood 6'6 and could hit a baseball a good long ways when he made contact but when he missed he was awful. He used to swing at every pitch in the book. This is how I feel about Venus Williams in her first round dramas. This isn't the only one.


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You know it's funny because sometimes when she loses people go on about how passive and defensive she was and people complain that she's not aggressive enough anymore.... And then she has a ballbashing fest like this one it's Venus has no plan b brainless etc etc ....
And let us not forget when she is winning how everyone is full of praise......
So i'm not sure who this Venus Williams everyone seems to have an opinio is. To me she plays differently depending on how confident she is, the surface, time of year, tournament. You can't put her in one box like that.

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Re: Venus Williams (The Dave Kingman of tennis)

Dave Kingman had a lifetime batting average of .236. That is not very high.

In 16 seasons, he played on a team which played in the post season once---1971, his first year. He had 1 single in 9 times at bat. In 1979, he finished in 11th place in the most valuable player voting--his highest rank ever.

I would suggest you choose a different player to compare with a multi-champion grand slam winner like Venus. Lots of really great players sometimes swing hard.
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On Grass courts, she plays a smooth power game. Her movement and confidence is phenomenal as well as her consistency and her thinking. On hard courts since 2004, her game has become all reactionary particularly when things don't go right.

I think she should put more muscle in that she should zero in area to hit the ball instead of reacting to her opponents's shot, go for more shots off the second serve and more body serves. Which she did in her last game with Vera.

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I do like how she goes after a player's strength first then go after a players's weakness when oppurtuntiy comes. That is a Chris Evert's technique. Just zone in to one area.

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You know it's funny because sometimes when she loses people go on about how passive and defensive she was and people complain that she's not aggressive enough anymore.... And then she has a ballbashing fest like this one it's Venus has no plan b brainless etc etc ....
And let us not forget when she is winning how everyone is full of praise......
So i'm not sure who this Venus Williams everyone seems to have an opinio is. To me she plays differently depending on how confident she is, the surface, time of year, tournament. You can't put her in one box like that.
thats very true of her since last year
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Silvia Talaja!!!!?????

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Dave Kingman had a lifetime batting average of .236. That is not very high.

In 16 seasons, he played on a team which played in the post season once---1971, his first year. He had 1 single in 9 times at bat. In 1979, he finished in 11th place in the most valuable player voting--his highest rank ever.

I would suggest you choose a different player to compare with a multi-champion grand slam winner like Venus. Lots of really great players sometimes swing hard.
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Oh, and he pitched in college and pitched 4 innings for the Giants in '72.

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Way to suck me into a thread. Even though Stosur has now won a singles title, her singles career is a much closer comparison than Venus. The big serve equaling Kingman's HR power, the all surface/net play equalling his ability to play 3b, 1b, of and p.

Sheepindabigcity, you are right, there really isn't much of a pattern of losses in regular tournaments, though the Williams playing/losing on the same day in slams seems to affect Venus more than Serena.
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Re: Venus Williams (The Dave Kingman of tennis)

Dave Kingman was also with the Chicago Cubs.
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Venus "King Kong" Williams?

He was blessed with one of the best nicknames ever.

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Re: Venus Williams (The Dave Kingman of tennis)

Your observations on Venus are not incorrect, (except for one BIG one) but you picked the wrong player. Venus has seven slam singles, titles, 41 singles titles overall, either 17 or 18 overall slam titles, three Olympic Gold medals and a Fed Cup.


And sometimes, she totally bombs out in big spots.


She's more Alex Rodriguez than Dave Kingman. Even that anoalgy is loose. Venus hasn't been the best player on tour since 2001. But for more of the period since than not, she's been one of the best players. But not a lot more often than not. If you one of the best player 65% of the time, after you were the best player, you usually don't play any sport another eight years, except maybe auto or horse racing.


You know who Venus is? She's Bret Farve.

NOTE: THe wrong observation is that Venus tries to 'power her way out of slumps'. To my eye, that's exactly what she DOESN'T do. Venus tries to lower her unforced errors out of slumps, and all that does is let the opponents into matches.

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