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Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

I'm just after watching the tie break between Venus and Dushevina and it's clear that Venus was put off after a footfault was called while she was leading. Venus seemed surprised and a little annoyed and asked which foot caused the fault but surely seeing as there is already a challenge system shouldn't she be allowed to challenge that call and get a replay of exactly where her foot was at the moment she struck the ball - there seems to be no grounds for an appeal in that case and it can be very offputting. I'm not saying that a footfault isn't part of tennis because it is and good on those linespeople calling them but there just seems to be no way to appeal such a call and surely it should be embodied within the challenge system.

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

That's interesting that you say that because last year I think the Bryans had a dispute with an umpire about something similar. The umpire called touch, that one of them touched the net for a volley, but they said that it was the ball and they wanted to challenge, but the umpire wouldn't do it


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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

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That's interesting that you say that because last year I think the Bryans had a dispute with an umpire about something similar. The umpire called touch, that one of them touched the net for a volley, but they said that it was the ball and they wanted to challenge, but the umpire wouldn't do it
I didn't hear about that call at all but it's very interesting that they brought it up because I think the challenge system is a great innovation but it should include or at least expand to cover more areas of a tennis match where calls make a difference.

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

Actually, they could already leave out the linesmen, and let hawkeye control the entire match, with beeping when the ball is out. . But it's a good idea to include all challenges, let and footfaults.
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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

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Actually, they could already leave out the linesmen, and let hawkeye control the entire match, with beeping when the ball is out. .
I'd hate if they did that - I think you need those people for atmosphere and the challenge system is there to improve the fan player type involvement in calls during a match and stop calls completely ruining a match aka Serena Capriati 04.

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

I got called for a foot fault in a match once. ONCE. I backed up a couple of inches on the next serve, and I haven't had that problem since. If an amateur like me can do it, why can't these highly-skilled, highly-trained professionals?

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

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Actually, they could already leave out the linesmen, and let hawkeye control the entire match, with beeping when the ball is out. . But it's a good idea to include all challenges, let and footfaults.
That would slow the game down to a ridiculous crawl. It'd be like if the NBA decided to use instant replay after every play-- wouldn't be feasible.
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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

Well she's been footfaulting A LOT without getting called out, that's actually been more irritating than the one footfault in the TB that made her doublefault.
If it gets called enough you will back off, but this way she's just doing it over and over again which is unfair to the opponent. But it's tough for the opponent to see footfaults, how could she challenge that? Lucky guesses after an ace? That's absurd. So that rule would suck, because it would only favour the server and not the returner.

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

I think the OP has a great point it's a good idea! Yes definitely the player has a right to know by seeing video exactly which foot crossed the line. Also, this is important because you can lose a point.
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I think the OP has a great point it's a good idea! Yes definitely the player has a right to know by seeing video exactly which foot crossed the line. Also, this is important because you can lose a point.
If Orville/Morrissey likes it, then it's DEFINITELY a bad idea.

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

I think all calls should be challengable... of course THIS IS THE SAME TOURNAMENT that last year got wrapped up in McHale's heat issues and TOTALLY quit calling foot faults. She was actually starting with her foot, fat on the line.
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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

nah.. stubborn players need to lern
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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

I highly doubt we could add it to the challenge system. I mean, I don't think the system would be able to detect both the exact moment when the player hits the ball and if the player touched the baseline with his/her feet from the moment he/she toss the ball up.
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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

How many players look at their feet when serving? What's the basis for the challenge? I agree they should allow that to be challenged, but the player is challenging blind.

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Re: Seeing as there is a challenge system shouldn't footfaults be included?

i think it would be a good idea

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