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Who will be the next 'Force' on grass/at Wimbledon post-Williams?

Maybe a little late to be having a Wimbledon discussion, but it's a queation that has been puzzling me. As we know, Serena and Venus right now have the games most efficient and effective on grass right now. Huge serving, the willingness to finish the point early and the movement most competent to suceeed on this surface. However when they're gone, who is going to take up the mantle? Let's evaulate the competition on grass:

Dementieva- Improved serve, and has shown she is able to compete in high-octane rallies. Still IMO doesn't move as effectively as on other surfaces. I don't think her traction is as fluid step to step.

Kuznetsova- On paper has all the shots for grass, and her volley technique is highly underrated. However her court-positioning is WAY too defensive. Against Liscki, she was being forced to scramble at every oppurtunity because her decreased length was induced by how far back she was. Has decent versatility on grass too IMO.

Sharapova- Back in 04/05 she looked very much the grass-queen in waiting. Had the constant bite and rythm on her first serve and her first strike was immense and she could actually back herself up with adequate enough movement. Nowadays though, i fear her movement has gone the other way, and she looks very vulnerable against baseliners who look to attack. Serve is not the force it was either.

Azarenka- To a casual eye, she probably looks the ideal candidate. High percentage serving, seemingly 'thunderous' groundstrokes and the willingness to try and move forward. However her forehand lacks the nessecary adaptability in high-pace rallies and her serve and generally hitting isn't as dominating as Sharapova at the same age. Her groundstrokes actually employ more spin that allows monstrous hitters like Serena and Venus to take advantage.

Jankovic- Has the movement, has the ball control, but where is her first-strike on grass. The one surface she can't get away with building up the rallies and outlasting her opponents.

There are many more i could discuss, but what are your thoughts. Are we going to see the grass only help the players in the ilk of Venus and Serena, or will grass eventually have to accomodate winners on grass who are completely poles apart from the norm of what it takes to win on the surface? Will it still be a relatively specialist surface?
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Re: Who will be the next 'Force' on grass/at Wimbledon post-Williams?

Venus and Serena are here to stay.
So it could be someone we don't know yet.
in 5 years, Kristina Mladenovic (huge serve, huge forehand) will be 21. Maybe Her? Laura Robson ?

It's way too far. Who would have thought 2 years ago that Dinara would be #1 ?

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Definitely Lena...She really has improved and as far as I could see in her match against Serena her serve isn't average anymore it's actually pretty good. I think I may be the only one who thinks this but Aga seems to be really good on Grass...maybe I'm being a little bias here because I'm a fan of hers.
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Re: Who will be the next 'Force' on grass/at Wimbledon post-Williams?

Elena Dementieva is actually the only one month younger than Serena Williams so it hardly makes sense to talk about her as a player to take over when the Williams sisters are gone.

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Elena Dementieva is actually the only one month younger than Serena Williams so it hardly makes sense to talk about her as a player to take over when the Williams sisters are gone.
Elena to me is a player who could have immense longevity on tour. She's the most constantly fit player on tour.
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Both the Radwanska's, particularly Agi. She has the necessay footwork, along with the ability to adapt on this surface like no other. Though her serve will not stand her in good stead, as it's her achilles heel

And Lisicki...Of course the serve,, and the big groundstrokes. Though she'll never be speedy around her court,But If she were able to somehow transition to more of a mid-court player, and be willing to take the ball a little more earlier instead of taking good cuts, she'd definitely be a contender!!
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Lisicki, Radwanska, Azarenka, maybe Ivanovic. Sharapova if healthy and back to good form will dominate all of listed before.
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However when they're gone, who is going to take up the mantle?
Nobody. Wimbledon will become completely random and consequently its prestige will steadily decrease.

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Dementieva- Still IMO doesn't move as effectively as on other surfaces. I don't think her traction is as fluid step to step.
Disagree. She's one of the Tour's top 4 grasscourt movers (sisters + Jankovic being the other 3). And grass gives her flat FH more bite. Still, she won't win Wimbledon or any other GS as I feel that she won't be able to keep up her current physical condition for much longer.

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Sharapova- Back in 04/05 she looked very much the grass-queen in waiting. Had the constant bite and rythm on her first serve and her first strike was immense and she could actually back herself up with adequate enough movement. Nowadays though, i fear her movement has gone the other way, and she looks very vulnerable against baseliners who look to attack. Serve is not the force it was either.

Azarenka- To a casual eye, she probably looks the ideal candidate. High percentage serving, seemingly 'thunderous' groundstrokes and the willingness to try and move forward. However her forehand lacks the nessecary adaptability in high-pace rallies and her serve and generally hitting isn't as dominating as Sharapova at the same age. Her groundstrokes actually employ more spin that allows monstrous hitters like Serena and Venus to take advantage.

Jankovic- Has the movement, has the ball control, but where is her first-strike on grass. The one surface she can't get away with building up the rallies and outlasting her opponents.
Spot on, particularly about Jankovic.

Azarenka's shots actually don't have that much spin in them, apart from when she's forced to take the ball late on the FH side and can only loop it up. She just lacks the raw power the elite (sisters, Ivanovic, Kuznetsova) has. She was outgunned by such a huge margin by Serena in that QF that I wonder what people who claimed that it would be a tightly contested match (and I had my hopes too) were smoking. Not Slam winning material, but let's leave that for another thread.

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Re: Who will be the next 'Force' on grass/at Wimbledon post-Williams?

Nobody, really. If Ivanovic gets her game together again, her serve + forehand combo can prove deadly on grass. If Sharapova gets her game back to the level it once was again, including her serve, she will also be tough on grass. We probably have yet to see the next dominant Wimbledon star.

I don't think we will see one single person dominate/consistently have good results at Wimbledon like we used to with Serena, Venus, Steffi, Lindsay, Martina and so on.

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i was kinda unimpressed w/ Lisiki at Wimbledon. Except for a few games here and there where she seemed to blast everything, she looked very ordinary and clumsy movement wise.

I wouldn't be surprised if Radwanska sneaks in a Wimbledon win if the WS lose form, lose early or retire. I don't understand how or why Radwanks is so successful on grass but she has put up very consistent results on the surface and if it wasn't for the fact that she's drawn a WS in the QF for two straight years I think she would've made a SF by now.
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i was kinda unimpressed w/ Lisiki at Wimbledon. Except for a few games here and there where she seemed to blast everything, she looked very ordinary and clumsy movement wise.

I wouldn't be surprised if Radwanska sneaks in a Wimbledon win if the WS lose form, lose early or retire. I don't understand how or why Radwanks is so successful on grass but she has put up very consistent results on the surface and if it wasn't for the fact that she's drawn a WS in the QF for two straight years I think she would've made a SF by now.
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I was kinda thinking they'd just cancel the Ladies tourney after Venus/Serena retired.

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Re: Who will be the next 'Force' on grass/at Wimbledon post-Williams?

Sabine Lisicki.

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