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Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

If you look at Elena's results from before her serve deteriorated (1999-2003), during her serving voes (2004-2007), and after she fixed it again (2008 till now), one has to conclude that the bad serve has made her a better player overall.
She was outside top 10 with little success in big tournaments from 2000-2003 when her serve was "normal". With her worst serve she was in the top 10 for four years, got to 2 major finals, one semi and 2 quarters and won 6 tournaments.
Since she got her serve back, she hasn't reached major finals (despite the level of competition being weakened by absence of her biggest rivals), reached 4 semis and one quarter. She won 5 titles. Her ranking is a few places higher than in 2004-7, but she is not really making the progress one would expect. Back in 2004-6 everyone thought that Dementieva with a good serve would be deadly because her ground game was so good. But, it hasn't really happened.
Yes, she won Olympics and had some success lately beating Serena 3 times in a row, but she is only marginally better player overall due to her serve. I guess that slicing out wide serve on deuce side wasn't as bad as many including Elena thought.
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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

Dementieva's old serve was deceptively hard to attack. If you play amateur tennis sometimes it is harder than you think to attact puffball serves consistently. Also, the amount of side spin on her serve was wicked.

Dementieva's new serve is undoubtedly better through. Her serve actually got better in '06. I remember her R1 @ Wimbledon against Mirza she was getting it to the BH of Sania enough to make a difference.
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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

She had a match point against (eventual champion) Serena Williams at Wimbledon, so yeah, I'd say it has made a difference. The old Elena couldn't dream of a result like that.

Also, one of those three wins was a walkover.
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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

It does, who would of thought 3 years ago she would reach the semis of Wimbledon?
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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

It's a strange irony that Dementieva has improved her serve out of sight, yet was able to reach Slam finals with the most fragile serve around.

Didn't J-Cap or Davenport once call her second serve 'the side-winder'? It was actually quite a drastic change of pace to respond to on return. Especially the above mentioned who loved to react to genuine pace off the return.

Dementieva's service improvements have made her more subdued off the ground IMO. Back in the day, Dementieva had to hit big to compensate for her serve. I kinda miss that Dementieva. The risktaker.
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It does, who would of thought 3 years ago she would reach the semis of Wimbledon?
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Of course the serve has made her a better player. Being a better player, though, hasn't matched up to the results, so I get the OP's point. Unless Elena's whole mission was to be a Semifinal kinda girl.
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No

Elena doesn´t serve well in big matches
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With her old serve Lena would have never won Olympics imo.
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If you look at Elena's results from before her serve deteriorated (1999-2003), during her serving voes (2004-2007), and after she fixed it again (2008 till now), one has to conclude that the bad serve has made her a better player overall.
She was outside top 10 with little success in big tournaments from 2000-2003 when her serve was "normal". With her worst serve she was in the top 10 for four years, got to 2 major finals, one semi and 2 quarters and won 6 tournaments.
Since she got her serve back, she hasn't reached major finals (despite the level of competition being weakened by absence of her biggest rivals), reached 4 semis and one quarter. She won 5 titles. Her ranking is a few places higher than in 2004-7, but she is not really making the progress one would expect. Back in 2004-6 everyone thought that Dementieva with a good serve would be deadly because her ground game was so good. But, it hasn't really happened.
Yes, she won Olympics and had some success lately beating Serena 3 times in a row, but she is only marginally better player overall due to her serve. I guess that slicing out wide serve on deuce side wasn't as bad as many including Elena thought.
she is not playing badly at all. just because she hasn't been making gs finals doesn't make her bad. she is having a great year, with semis at aussie and wimbledon. she had a great start to the year also. her serve has helped her



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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

We´ll see, elena´s best part of the season coming up! Including her best slam, and she won´t be mentally focused on the olympics this time so i´ll doubt she´ll lose to a jankovic this time round.

Wimbledon 2009 is definetly the best i´ve seen elena serve ever, and the best i´ve seen her play in a while in the serena match. She was playing better then in australia IMO. If she can play like olympics last year + the improved serve, she has her chances.

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Low precentage of first serves in game, always broken when she must hold for a TB or 5-5

Its still a bad serve imo
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Wimby 09 SF - Serena def. New-serve Elena 6-7 7-5 8-6
Wimby 09 SF - Serena def. Old-serve Elena 6-3 6-3

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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

Ask Serena.

I'd say that's an emphatic "Yes."

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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

Yes, her great ground game is now supported by a better serve. It was hard for Serena to get a handle on it, I think.
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Re: Dementieva new serve. Has it really made a difference?

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If you look at Elena's results from before her serve deteriorated (1999-2003), during her serving voes (2004-2007), and after she fixed it again (2008 till now), one has to conclude that the bad serve has made her a better player overall.
She was outside top 10 with little success in big tournaments from 2000-2003 when her serve was "normal". With her worst serve she was in the top 10 for four years, got to 2 major finals, one semi and 2 quarters and won 6 tournaments.
Since she got her serve back, she hasn't reached major finals (despite the level of competition being weakened by absence of her biggest rivals), reached 4 semis and one quarter. She won 5 titles. Her ranking is a few places higher than in 2004-7, but she is not really making the progress one would expect. Back in 2004-6 everyone thought that Dementieva with a good serve would be deadly because her ground game was so good. But, it hasn't really happened.
Yes, she won Olympics and had some success lately beating Serena 3 times in a row, but she is only marginally better player overall due to her serve. I guess that slicing out wide serve on deuce side wasn't as bad as many including Elena thought.
Elena's serve was never as bad as people made it out to be, just on pressurised occasions. Similarly, it's not now as good as people make it out to be. When she played that brilliant match against Serena a couple of weeks ago, she served well in places, not so well in others. Yet the commentators (poor male commentators) made her out to be serving the match of her life. Rubbish.

It's all press tittle tattle, and then when Elena hears it, it gets into her head too.
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